Aug 29, 2015 Back on SL people always blamed Dre for allowing s--- like Encore and Relapse happen, thinking he's an old washed up hack/Yes-Man who doesn't know what good music sounds like anymore. Most people assumed they stopped working together because Eminem blamed him for perpetuating his addiction and not knowing when to say no to him. But, after Compton, it's pretty clear that Dre stills knows what he's doing (FAR more so than Eminem the past 5-10 years). Obviously, him making a fantastic album and proving he's still got it doesn't absolve him completely from Relapse (his beats are amazing on that, but as an executive producer he should have stepped in), but it begs the question as to who stopped working with who and for what reason. Before Medicine Man, when was the last time Eminem was on a Dre beat? One song on Recovery in 2010? Maybe Dr. Dre doesn't work with Eminem much anymore because he knows he sucks now.
Aug 29, 2015 Why waste his beats with somebody that can't even flow properly on his own instrumentals?
Aug 29, 2015 Interesting points, and they make a lot of sense... Maybe internally, thats how Dre feels.. But I feel like at the end of the day they were just 2 different people, with ultimately different artistic goals, that didn't match up as well as they had in the past (something they probably figured out after relapse flopped, cause they've both pretty much reinvented themselves as artists since then). Em used to be considerably darker with his stuff, but he started to move towards cartoony with some of the stuff on TES. By the time Encore came out, dude was using puppets in music videos where he rapped as peewee herman, lmao. I'd hope that they still have a great (or at the very least, still have a) friendship, beyond the music.
Aug 29, 2015 My guess would be that you're right. Dre is one of the few who can adapt so perfectly to what hip hop needs/wants at any given time in any given era. He probably understands that eminems day is gone and he probably doesn't really wanna associate his work with subpar eminem work. I think we'll still hear eminem on some dre beats just a lot less than before.. But yeah they're still probably good Friends.. Why wouldn't you be. They each owe a lot of their careers to each other
Aug 29, 2015 I think it's clear there is still something there. Em was with him when he signed his Apple deal, he was on Compton etc. Maybe they just simply moved directions in music without there ever really being a conversation. I doubt anything truly "happened".
Aug 29, 2015 From what i understood from the artists involved almost every Compton beat was produced by other producers and Dre only added his touch here and there. And Dre shouted out Em in every show of "The Pharmacy" so i think he still has mad respect for him. The main reason IMO is that Em didn't like how Relapse was in his final form, so he started working with other producers, and also Dre focused on developing the "Beats by Dre" brand during these last years.
Aug 29, 2015 Em got different kinda yes-men now. fa----s like Royce and them slaughterhacks suckle and nibble on his d-ck like a burrito while Em takes musical advice from his foster father, Paul. He ain't the Marshall I know. Em now that scared white boy again who got beat into a coma. Dre don't wanna work with people like that. If Dre really was his homie, he'd call him out on his bs. Tru G statement.
Aug 29, 2015 No sense. If so Dre doesn't work with Kendrick bc he sucks Or Kendrick doesn't work with Dre bc he sucks Cool story though
Aug 29, 2015 When you go from dr dre to alex da kid and dj khalil there's something that needs to be looking at...Maybe dre dislike rap pop and rap rock so he was offended with that so he back up with em because he felt his production doesn't match his style anymore or em's manager got to a dispute with andre cuz he wanted to his own vision on Encore relapse recovery mmlp2 etc but that's just my opinion
Aug 29, 2015 i think you're reading too much into it. neither dre nor eminem are really active musicians anymore. they're legacy acts who play live once in a blue moon and drop albums when they feel they have to for their brand. one lives in la, one in detroit. they're both monstrously rich and have nothing to prove to anyone but themselves. they have kids. it's just not a priority.
Aug 29, 2015 Kendrick never had the working relationship with Dre that Eminem had. Yeah, I didn't mean that they're not friends or anything. Dre hardly works with anyone anymore so he's not going to waste his time on a project that he A. doesn't believe in or B. isn't a new artist that he needs to cosign to help boost sales.
Aug 29, 2015 I think if Eminem really wanted Dre to jump back on the helm and produce his albums I'm pretty sure Dre would be more than happy to do it. If Dre wanted to maintain his legacy without consequences he wouldn't of produced Encore and Relapse. He only really seems to be a perfectionist around his solo work. I don't personally understand why Eminem doesn't work with Dre anymore, it seems like the more Eminem distants himself from who he used to work with (Bass Brothers, DJ Head, Dre, 50) the more he loses his identity
Aug 29, 2015 Sometimes as humans, we outgrow people. Its like having a great friend in high school, then getting older and gradually distancing yourself from that person.. because they're simply not needed or worth it anymore. They stagnate or regress while you do the opposite. Dre outgrew Eminem. Its no coincidence that Dre released a near classic album with minimal Em involvement. Dre still has a good ear and taste for music it seems, Marshall doesn't.
Aug 29, 2015 I lost all hope in humanity with this thread. It so freaking obvious, what happened between Em and Dre. Dre wasn't really feeling his beats like that. 50 talked about Dre questioning his beat making skills. Eminem touched on it with "I need a doctor". Dre spoke about it with his wife in a interview.. saying "felt like I was being forced to make music, some things didn't sound right". Em clearly gave Dre space until he finds his groove again and work on other stuff. Also Em already knew from the Relapse era.. saying "there won't be that many Dre beats on any album, I'm lucky".
