Wire sequel when??

Started by Lucy, Jul 12, 2020, in Entertainment Add to Reading List

  1. DKC
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    DKC hank trill

    Jul 16, 2020
    The first half of TD season 2 was a chore but the back half was solid imo. Really enjoyed season 3 too (and obviously season 1 is amazing).
     
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    Jul 16, 2020
    Yeah I think GOT has a wayyyyy worse final season than LOST
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    wtf wrong with u nigs? s5 of wire is la flamo blocka straight on point 100 g--- s---. like wtf ur complaint with that? wire got one of the best endings to a tv series of all time. c---- stresin me out with s--- opinions i fucken swear....
     
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  4. M Solo
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    M Solo Fresh Outta London

    Jul 17, 2020
    Only people who don't like Marlo have this sentiment. People who love Marlo rank S5 2 at the lowest. S5 is my favorite and by far the most reawatchable.
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    @M Solo ya i like Marlo a lot. just think the serial killer thing is cartoonish and over the top. and the journalism stuff is spiteful and kind of spirals out

    tho yeah ending is def good. Not a bad season especially given the constraints they were under, its just not 3 or 4 to me.
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    brah i dont get this s---, it's stressful tbh. like how the f--- you want more g----related seasons when we already saw the rise and fall of avon's dynasty and the rise of marlo's godlike deity roster?????

    like c---- goes from some "made it"/"GRODT" gangsta too high-rise meetings with millionairse then dips back to what he knows to get stabbed and laugh... stresss me out how c---- are not succesful in life and don't relate to this show/season brah.
     
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    Lucy #1

    Jul 17, 2020
    "hey i'm a fa---- who has a heart! i bought a duck! d---... i'm stressed, got it drunk and it died!!!!!!! REEEEE!"
    *better s---t a wog and his son after i call his dad a MALAKAH!*
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    Pretty much this. I love Marlo and genuinely do love season 5 because I love the whole series—despite its flaws there's enough to like in it and it ties everything up really nicely.
     
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    M Solo Fresh Outta London

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    Forgive me for making generalizations about ALL Marlo fans lol. I've spent a LOT of time at Boxden debating Marlo/Avon.
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    From what I remember of Lost’s final season, yea I would agree that GOT’s is worse. Although I might be thinking that since GOT just recently ended and it’s still fresh in my mind whereas it’s been forever since I saw Lost.

    Either way I'm about to find out. Last night we started watching Lost. This will be my first time watching it since it was on tv

    edit: oh s--- I got the yellow flame! Didn’t realize I was even close to getting it. Now I just gotta maintain that b----.
     
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    Marlo > Avon for me easy

    Chris/snoop > weebay and the other barksdale muscle while we’re at it. I love weebay but their other muscle were complete morons like Bird lol
     
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    DKC hank trill

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    Marlo > Avon/Stringer because Marlo was ruthless and literally stopped at nothing. Avon was soft on D’Angelo and too hardheaded, String was too busy thinking he’s the smartest guy in the room cuz he took Econ 101 and Marketing 101 at Baltimore community college to know he was getting scammed.
     
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    Avon >> Marlo

    Avon was the realest gangsta in the series. If Stringer hadn't f----- him over I think he would've taken out Marlo. He was Marlo's only competition and apart from shooting his shoulder (?) and stomping out some weak a--- bodie corner didn't really do anything else. Also Marlo wouldn't have been able to get to the Greek connect if it wasn't for Avon who was running s--- in prison still. Slim Charles landed on that in the end anyway and he was originally Avon's guy. Marlo was ruthless, and I loved his character (he pretty much held up season 5 for me) but I never felt like he had the respect of an Avon, Omar or even Prop Joe. They were at least likeable.

    Marlo's crew sh---ed on Avon's though no doubt. Chris, Snupe, Michael>>>>>>
     
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    Jul 17, 2020
    I think the main difference is that in Lost you kinda knew how the final season would end or where it was trying to go. GOT was so good for so long you didn't think they'd wait until the last second and butcher every second you put in the show, but they did
     
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    the last episode and a half of the wire is great. the marlo stuff in s5 is good. the paper stuff is good, occasionally great. the cop stuff is atrocious, like it’s beamed in from an entirely different show. it’s a good season of television but the other four are all-timers.
     
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    The GOAT Marlo write up

    Many see Marlo as the most "evil" being on The Wire. He lacks the humour and profane wisdom of the more popular B'more denizens, but I believe he is key to understanding the show's themes. He is, in effect, the ultimate bureaucrat, one who plays the system without empathy or fear.

    His sole aim is the increase of bureaucratic power – both his own power within the bureaucracy, and the power of the bureaucracy itself. Although he is certainly a person without a moral backbone, it is not really a question of good and evil at all, but of efficient success. Marlo's methods are the same approach taken by (say) Rawls; the only difference is the bureaucracy is the drug distribution system, so the brutality is more overt. The system itself is the evil, Marlo is just another player, albeit more successful than most.

    He may come across as robotic and emotionally dead, but I don't think he's some unreal satanic bogeyman. He does still have feelings and desires, but he has obtained absolute control over them in order to succeed. Marlo allows himself to evince real care only with his pigeons. Emotional reliance of any kind on other humans is detrimental to playing the game so he has denied this to himself and uses his pets as a substitute, a means to safely bond with something.

    The first time Marlo makes an impact is when his underlings are about to punish Bubbles and Johnny for leaning on their car, threatening them with a handgun. Marlo takes in the situation and says simply 'Do it or don't. I've got places to be." He instantly puts himself above trivial concerns; he shows neither anger nor compassion. He has merely sized the situation up, judged there is no threat or benefit to him therein, and leaves it as not worth his time. His decision-making is calibrated to winning "the game".

    Marlo's utilitarian analysis is perhaps most marked when he decides Michael's fate. He clearly has a slight fondness for Michael (he chose him after all), and agrees with Chris he's unlikely to be the snitch. "But you willing to bet your life on it?" he asks, and the decision is made. He acknowledges his inability to put human relationships first in his last exchange with Joe, who he clearly also felt some bond with: "I treated you like a son" "I wasn't made to play the son. Close your eyes...it won't hurt none".

    On two crucial occasions rivals underestimate his ruthless efficiency: when Avon tries to set him him up by having a girl hit on him, and when Prop Joe presumes he can "civilize" him. Both Avon and Prop Joe believe they see themselves in Marlo and miscalculate as a consequence, fatally in Joe's case (and fatally for the set-up girl too). Marlo doesn't rely on heart and emotion like Avon, and he doesn't share Prop Joe's desire for friendship and community - and these traits which make Avon and Prop Joe so human also prove their undoing.

    Marlo knows his name is everything for his power, so it is no surprise that the slur on his street cred provokes the one moment of genuine anger, the "my name is my name" speech played so beautifully by Jamie Hector. It is significant that Omar is the one who called him out, as Omar is the other character who relies on his name for his power - "Omar be coming" etc. Omar understands that the deathgrip Marlo has on the projects is inextricably entwined with his reputation and his name. He found Marlo's Achilles heel, calling him out and challenging him as a coward - trying to play on his street honour, like some modern gunfighter or samurai. If word had got back to Marlo it could have succeeded.

    The value Marlo places on his street rep above all is shown when Herc tries to take him in to meet Bunny Colvin. He simply refuses with a stony "ain't gonna happen" and faces Herc down until Carver (wisely sensing the violence about to boil over) pulls him off. This was the only time in the series when someone stood up to the police in a face-to-face confrontation, as most of the underworld know the danger of hurting or killing a cop. Marlo knows this too, but his name on the street is more important than anything to him, and he was quite prepared to start something serious with the police to protect it. "My name is my name" trumps all.

    A few words need to be said of Jamie Hector's masterful portrayal. He brings an eerily unsettling permanent stillness to the role, as though every little action has been perfectly measured in advance. The very absence of any distracting tics or movements make him mesmerizing and terrifying to watch, a being of pure will who cannot be dominated. When he finally snaps the impact is all the more profound for the absolute restraint that preceded it.

    Lest you think I am celebrating Marlo for cracking the code of the game, I think he may be the classic victim of the system. In The Wire the overarching organizational machinery is geared to generate Marlos, people who have been forced to leave their humanity behind to succeed. I thought long on Joe's "Its hard work civilising this MFer". The systems we've created to live together in civilized society are the same soulless forces that create monsters like Marlo; paradoxically, civilization itself is its own worst enemy.
     
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    I actually hated season 2 on my first watch, and on my second watch I couldn’t figure out why I thought that the first time around. I think it’s fantastic now, but still my least favorite.

    when people say they stopped the wire because they couldn’t get through the second season it drives me insane.
     
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    re-elect frank sobotka
     
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