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Trump really doesn’t grasp that he doesn’t tell the DOJ what to do. They are not obligated to do what he says lol.

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@Enigma is calling the president of the United States a conspiracy theorist. Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

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Clinton pollster blasts Mueller probe, says 'must now be stopped'

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.
At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.
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With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to theClinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.
In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.
Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.
Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.
Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.
The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.
This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.
Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.
Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.
The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)
The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.
Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.
Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Polland author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.
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http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

Mueller Plans to Wrap Up Obstruction Inquiry Into Trump by Sept. 1, Giuliani Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/us/politics/mueller-trump-obstruction-september-giuliani.html

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Clinton pollster blasts Mueller probe, says 'must now be stopped'

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

Mueller Plans to Wrap Up Obstruction Inquiry Into Trump by Sept. 1, Giuliani Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/us/politics/mueller-trump-obstruction-september-giuliani.html

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Webber said

@Enigma is calling the president of the United States a conspiracy theorist. Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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Donnie is Alex Jones' biggest fan. He made him mainstream.

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You can’t make this s--- up

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The FBI implanted someone on Trump's campaign
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The FBI's source on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential race is a veteran of three Republican administrations, The Washington Post reported.

Stefan A. Halper, a former professor emeritus at Cambridge University in England, was a secret informant on the Trump campaign during the FBI's investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, according to the newspaper.

Halper, 73, reportedly began work with the FBI's counterintelligence probe after the bureau obtained evidence of suspicious contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Russian operatives.

The professor's career included positions in the White House as a domestic policy adviser for President Nixon and the chief of staff for President Ford, according to the Post.
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Lmfao

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^ Psst, pro-tip: Trump isn't a Republican. You're a moron.

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Odyssey said

He changes parties more often than tumblr girls change genders. Currently he is a republican.
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Does he strike you as a neocon warhawking bible thumping gun toting drug warrior? No, he is and always has been a New York business Democrat. Get a f---ing clue lol.

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No and that's not how I view republicans
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Right, cuz Republicans certainly haven't been moralistic neocons for the past several decades. What does Trump, a business tycoon from Manhattan slash mild populist reformer have in common with a typical Republican?

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Enigma said

Trump really doesn’t grasp that he doesn’t tell the DOJ what to do. They are not obligated to do what he says lol.
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This is what you call a conspiracy theory
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DOJ seeks probe of FBI conduct in 2016 campaign after Trump ‘spy’ claim

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Shotcaller Trump

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DOJ seeks probe of FBI conduct in 2016 campaign after Trump ‘spy’ claim
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The funniest thing about this whole situation is that Trump & people stupid enough to believe him such as yourself, actually think the FBI did good by Clinton by making numerous public statements about her investigation but trying to keep trump’s investigation under wraps because they didn’t want to damage him politically before the election lol. What fucken sense does that make?

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Enigma said

The funniest thing about this whole situation is that Trump & people stupid enough to believe him such as yourself, actually think the FBI did good by Clinton by making numerous public statements about her investigation but trying to keep trump’s investigation under wraps because they didn’t want to damage him politically before the election lol. What fucken sense does that make?
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This is all just yarn spinning from the corporate media to keep you in your echo chamber. You're literally living in a fantasy world and there's no point in trying to reason with you. God bless.

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Webber said

You're literally living in a fantasy world and there's no point trying to reason with you. God bless.
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Webber said

This is all just yarn spinning from the corporate media to keep you in your echo chamber. You're literally living in a fantasy world and there's no point in trying to reason with you. God bless.
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It’s not spin. It’s logic that you’re pivoting away from. You think the FBI benefitted Clinton by making her investigation public while simultaneously keeping trump’s investigation secret until after the election.

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The FBI benefited Clinton by clearing her of wrongdoing even though criminal wrongdoing was legally found. That's a fact. The Russia investigation is based on fake, circular evidence and was a setup (or "an insurance policy") from the start. There was no collusion and there was no material interference in our election by a foreign state. Even a Clinton pollster called for an end to the Mueller probe at this point.

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The FBI benefited Clinton by clearing her of wrongdoing even though criminal wrongdoing was legally found.
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Nope. The DOJ & FBI entirely disagree with this. So did the numerous Republican-led congressional committees that investigated her emails & found nothing. Did I mention the FBI was led by a Republican too?

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Sigh. It's like trying to debate with a brainwashed neoliberal corporatist puppet, basically the mental equivalent of a chimpanzee. Oh wait...

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Sigh. It's like trying to debate with a brainwashed neoliberal corporatist puppet, basically the mental equivalent of a chimpanzee. Oh wait...
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You’re pedaling some ridiculous conspiracy that Republicans let Clinton off the hook. Do you have any idea how badly Republicans wanted to nail Hillary? If there was anything even remotely plausible to be able to prosecute her with, they would have jumped on it. The thing is, there was nothing. Deep down you & your butt buddy @Xmipod know that. The funny part is that, you guys continue to cry about clinton’s improper use of her email & how she should be prosecuted for it bla bla bla but are totally silent on this:

But I’m the partisan one lol

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