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  1. 1999
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    1999

    Apr 3, 2017
    Yeah f--- Pac and Big, they should've waited to die
     
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  2. Soldier
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    Soldier big cuntry's alias

    Apr 3, 2017
    ugh Cyreidies still don't understand the difference between subjective and objective. @theg explained it to him better than anyone and dude still doesn't get it.
     
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  3. VR46
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    VR46 Kamikaze

    Apr 3, 2017
    how is quality not subjective ? if A thinks views is better than illmatic and B thinks the other way , does it mean A is wrong cuz more ppl agree with B ?

    you cant measure this , inb4 u say its taste
     
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  4. DKC
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    DKC shortygonletmecrush

    Apr 3, 2017
    Bizarre has been making music for 20+ years
     
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  5. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Apr 3, 2017
    Okay, then no more commenting about Metro Boomin' being an average producer, because according to your worldview, nothing is objectively discernible and we're all walking through our own dream worlds without any common bearings. You don't truly believe that, because I've seen you make plenty of value claims which you just said are pointless and unverifiable.

    To clarify, I agree we all have subjective tastes about what we like or dislike. We're all still exposed to the same objective materials and our understanding of them can be more or less accurate than one another, which is where discussion comes into play. That's coming from somebody who doesn't believe in innate meaning to his own existence. I think we create our own meaning. That doesn't mean I can say fire isn't hot and have as much credibility as those who say otherwise. It just means I'm entitled to that opinion no matter how far divorced from reality it is.

    Also, this doesn't mean there is a single answer to what is best. Usually the people most familiar with a subject have the most nuanced, original opinions on it. We can starkly disagree and still both have defensible, well crafted interpretations of things.
     
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  6. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Apr 3, 2017
    Quality relies on a bunch of different metrics which people then assign value to on a personal basis. So yeah, taste is subjective on a personal level, but communicating/defending your appreciation for that rapper is only as strong as the objectivity of your argument. Nobody is going to believe you if you say Lil Anal Polyp is the best rapper "because I like him the most".

    It's fine to like things that aren't the best btw. I just had a bowl of Ramen Noodles. I don't have to claim they're the GOAT to enjoy them. Nobody is obligated to participate in the conversation of what makes things good and how they stack up against each other.
     
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  7. Lil Squeed
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    Lil Squeed French Montana Stan

    Apr 3, 2017
    Yea idk about length of career, but name choice is a definite factor when measuring success, imo.

    Like rappers with GOAT names (Travis Scott, Quavo, Young Scooter, etc) are destined to be legends with names like those. Meanwhile, other rappers that are still pretty good set themselves up for failure by choosing terrible names (J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, etc.)
     
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  8. Trackz
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    Apr 3, 2017
    There's quite a few artists that have 10+ years in music. It's gonna take more than just longevity to be considered one of the greats.
     
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  9. Charlie Work
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    Charlie Work Level 5 Goblin

    Apr 3, 2017
    You say that, but yet both of us can agree that a gourmet dish from a restaurant is inherently "better" than a turd sandwich. We'd both chalk that up to objective qualities like better ingredients, fresh meat, more artisanal construction etc. Saying "our taste buds are different" or "it's subjective" isn't an argument. It's declaring that you aren't participating in the conversation of quality. Which, as I said, is fine. Just don't pretend it's valid in that realm of discussion. It's not.
     
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  10. Allis Mines
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    Apr 3, 2017
    Nope that's stupid, what makes a good rapper is how good they are at rapping.
     
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  11. Hard Klyntar
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    Hard Klyntar

    Apr 3, 2017
    I am not including them because they were murdered of course they are the greats lol I'm talking about rappers that are still alive
     
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  12. Big Mitch
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    Big Mitch You never made me ran once

    Apr 3, 2017
    This is a weird question cuz rappers like Biggie and Pac could've regressed later in their careers, similar to Eminem.

    I've seen arguments made where people have said "if 'x' rapper died after 'y' album, they'd be the greatest ever." and s--- like that

    I think consistency is a huge factor
     
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  13. Final
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    Final ⚘

    Apr 4, 2017
    Tech N9ne has been rapping for 26 years
    That alone should give OP the answer he's looking for
     
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  14. Bourbon Ben
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    Bourbon Ben Mad pooper

    Apr 3, 2017
    this scares me way more than it should
     
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  15. Trackz
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    Apr 3, 2017
    You said music has no inherent value or quality. I'm merely asking you why if the time it took to make it or the time to listen to it doesn't have value.
     
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  16. Trackz
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    Apr 3, 2017
    Music takes time to make. Time is money, no?
     
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  17. Trackz
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    Apr 3, 2017
    In terms of quality, i think hes referring to sound of the music vs. your preference and perspective of the sound of music in which would be your "taste".

    Oddisee's music has quality, but it may not fit your taste or interest of the kind of music you want to hear.
     
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  18. Xmipod
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    Xmipod

    Apr 3, 2017
    This is wrong on every level
    Eminem is great at rapping but most say his recent songs are awful, from standpoints which I can see, although I don't agree with them

    A lot of factors go into making a good rap song/album, not just rapping ability
     
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  19. Hard Klyntar
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    Hard Klyntar

    Apr 3, 2017
    taste is subjective but quality isn't
     
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