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  1. Kon
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    Kon

    Jul 24, 2016
    Pac's easily the GOAT to me, Biggie was great too. Pac was an interesting person as well though, not just as a rapper.
     
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  2. Mike Tyson
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    Mike Tyson big cuntry's alias

    Jul 25, 2016
    And Nas, at 42, will still make me reconsider how I evaluate "good" rap after I hear a verse from him. Just an incredible artist, falling off is a foreign concept to him.
     
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  3. M Solo
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    M Solo Fresh Outta London

    Jul 24, 2016


    But he didn't and now he's not even top 50 OAT.
     
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  4. OwI
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    OwI I was riding on a bike on a very late night

    Jul 24, 2016
    Imagine if eminem died after TES ?
     
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  5. Winter
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    Winter Super Comfy

    Jul 24, 2016
    Big is literally the best writer to ever live, small discography or not. And Pac is top 10 at least. It's just credit where it's due tbh
     
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  6. Soldier
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    Soldier big cuntry's alias

    Jul 25, 2016
    Life is Good was a the perfect album for him to create at this stage of career. He couldn't have done it any better.
     
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  7. Mike Tyson
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    Mike Tyson big cuntry's alias

    Jul 25, 2016
    I don't think Kanye is anything like Nas, but in my opinion, there has never been a more transparent rapper in terms of stream of consciousness setting the framework for almost every verse. Kanye never boxed himself in, and took more artistic risks from one album to the next than many artists take their entire careers (see, J. Cole, Drake or even some of my favourites ever like Fabolous and 50 Cent).

    I couldn't ever make an argument that from a technical standpoint, Kanye is even in the top 100 of all time, but I have never cared about a rapper's technical ability, only the final product.

    Examples of what I mean (stream of consciousness being the backbone of a verse) are:


     
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  8. PYT
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    Jul 25, 2016
    Pac has to be the most charismatic mcee ever
     
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  9. Soldier
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    Soldier big cuntry's alias

    Jul 24, 2016
    Biggie mastered every element of rapping at such a young age and short time in the game. He's probably the greatest rapper of all time. He's timeless. You could throw him on the production we hear today and it would still sound fresh.
     
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  10. Big Dangerous
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    Big Dangerous World Heavyweight Champion

    Jul 24, 2016
    Why does catalog matter? Biggie was the best. The best flow. He rhymed and spoke with such intensity and purpose. The greatest story teller. Gritty. Violent. Smooth as silk. Blended RnB and gangsta rap, told incredible stories fictional and otherwise in his songs. No weakness to his game.

    He's the best of all time in my opinion, no debate to be had.
     
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  11. daveramm
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    Jul 24, 2016
    Nobody will ever be as good as Pac was.
     
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  12. Groovy Tony
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    Groovy Tony Grandma's baby Eddie Kane

    Jul 24, 2016
    Like literally they are both almost always in the top 2 oat by the average rap fan who probably wasnt alive when they were out. Is it because they died? If you ask me Nas is better than 2Pac. Biggie doesn't have enough catalog to be the best ever imo. Nas even inspired Me and My Girlfriend but i don't see Nas as the GOAT either. Why are Pac and Big almost always 1 and 2?
     
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  13. tehparadox
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    Aug 1, 2016
    Tupac deserves every bit of praise.
     
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  14. Lamont
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    Lamont

    Jul 30, 2016
    some people have convinced themselves that pac couldn't rap. Funny...
     
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  15. Spartan23R
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    Spartan23R Set of horns and a halo

    Jul 25, 2016
    Pac music is literally timeless
     
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  16. moedageniuss
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    Jul 24, 2016
    Because they died.

    Everybody knows Nas and Andre 3000 were the best
     
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  17. Big Dangerous
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    Big Dangerous World Heavyweight Champion

    Jul 30, 2016
    I can't believe how many people on here don't respect Big and Pac lol....

    Biggie would be the best even if he didn't die imo I'm fully confident in that
     
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  18. The Real Slim Shady
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    The Real Slim Shady

    Jul 24, 2016
    Because both of them died with a flawless discography. They were the 2 best things in hip hop and died before their catalog's could decline in quality.

    However, I personally feel that if they survived then Pac would still be f---ing massive, I feel like he would've been open more to move with the times and new sounds.
     
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