May 12, 2015

the broader points in your post are mostly really good but the quoted is very very very wrong.

 

May 12, 2015

I have no doubt you probably have a more thorough understanding of Snoop Dogg than I. Care to explain? Isn't Doggystyle just Chronic 2.0?

 

May 12, 2015

Mr know it all culture vulture

 

May 12, 2015

snoop wrote nearly the entire chronic (far more him than doc, despite what you may have heard). what's more--dre has always been a great businessman and realized early on the value of his name as the brand, the auteur. the fact of the matter is that he was one of many hands in the album's production. the image people have of 2010-era kanye (the stage manager synthesizing the contributions of others) is essentially what was going on, and i've seen the publishing splits to prove it. warren g was a huge creative force behind the project. he was/is also snoop's best friend, so when it came time to do doggystyle, he took on an even more important role.

in 1993, snoop dogg was the best rapper in the world, including ice cube, including q-tip, including everyone in wu-tang. look at gin & juice: you have a beautifully crafted pop song with cadences (in the second verse) that had never really been used for narrative at that point in time. actually, speaking of the second verse, those opening bars are just...it's artful. it's such literary writing. he was better at nearly every facet of rapping than most of his contemporaries were at one.

 

May 12, 2015

Snoops last dope album was Ego Trippin imo...after that its all average music.

 

May 12, 2015

I wasn't trying to give production credit to Dre. Just saying the guy bottled lightning pretty consistently, regardless the team. Just saying without Dre Doggystyle doesn't happen. Without Snoop, Dre finds a replacement. We know that, because it happened. Repeatedly.

Not going to argue whether Snoop was a great or average rapper. I know you're pretty hot on him. I'm not nearly as steadfast on hypothetical hierarchies as a lot of people.

 

May 12, 2015

Im sure the D.O.C didnt write barely if anything on the album snoop was always a good writer himself. Dre and snoop always had great chemistey together this album was perfect for the era and still plays well today. He just grew up and did different things he didnt need to make loads of music a lot of artists go that way

 

May 12, 2015

Doggystyle and Imagine ft Dre GOAT rest is just blah!!!

Without Doc as his partner there is no snoop....

 

May 12, 2015

Well i guess someone hasnt listened to ''Bush''


Snoop was never an amazing rapper, he has always had a style that he could pull of without any effort, he has dropped some amazing albums over the last 20 years, even if he's dropped some subpar tracks & albums, but he has solidified himself as a legend,

Doggumentary was great album also, it was a perfect mix of classic snoop & modern snoop, i never see anyone discussing it, unfortunately.

 

May 12, 2015

probably because all his fans are just too f---ing high to discuss this s---!

 

May 12, 2015

Basically this happened:

 

May 12, 2015

well...you can't argue the latter. (this goes for you, too, @Creation.) even if you (wrongly) strip away his creative agency on doggystyle, he was a superlatively great RAPPER. songwriting, artistry, all of that aside, he was one of the greatest pure rappers to ever live. the whole album is built on flows he perfected, inverted, or invented entirely. saying "snoop is a pop culture icon more than he is an artist" is not exactly wrong when you take into account his entire career, but it ignores that period when he was one of the best rap artists in the world, maybe the best.

i have never posted about snoop on sl/s80 before today lol, no big deal though. everyone should be "hot" on doggystyle, it's one of the best and most influential albums of the '90s.

eh, this is a pretty undergrad-mixer, faux-intellectual sentence, don't you think? sure, any sort of list people make is purely theoretical, but in rap, at a time when stylistic innovation was really the only thing that mattered (this is between the militant politics and the fatalism), snoop was head and shoulders past his competitors--again, save maybe wu-tang--as a forward-thinking rapper who could RAP better than anyone else. lodi dodi is a cover that STILL could come out next year and sound new. gz and hustlaz is what la rappers are still trying to catch up to.

painting doggystyle (and snoop's vocal work on it specifically) as anything less than a genre-defining masterpiece is kind of like saying the dog ate your homework. it's wrong, both critically and historically.

 

May 12, 2015

Weed made him an ICON just like Willie Nelson....Wiz trying to follow his foot steps

 

May 12, 2015

Good ole Paul. Either dropping a dismissive fragmented quip or his Master Thesis.

 

May 12, 2015

All the crap out today that people give passes for then you see people calling Snoop an average rapper. f---

 

May 12, 2015

lol dawg that's like 200 rattled-off words, it's not even constructed. it doesn't need to be. you're acting aloof about calling this guy a great rapper:

 

May 12, 2015

::puts down alice munro::

::keeps reading::

 

May 12, 2015

lol andy you don't win by default because no one else on section 80 rap boards reads alice munro

he really was--economical, colorful, poetic.

 

May 12, 2015

He old as dirt bruh.

Snoop a pop artist now

 

May 12, 2015

no, i agree (except i always win) -- just (lightly) bristling at the effusive praise. love doggystyle and agree with those specific adjectives tho.

also, not a fan of donald hall? CMON PAUL KEEP UP