Sep 25, 2017 Brilliant!! Grown-a--- man talkin bout outgrowing artists n s--- with a buggys bunny avi. Classic s80 right there.
Sep 25, 2017 The opposite is true for me. I was always naturally good at English; I say that only to say, as I've aged (I'm now 27; have been listening to Em since I was 9) - my appreciation for Em's brilliance with writing has only increased. He's an incredibly unique writer. His image, black, white, controversy, GOAT or not, his place in history, his amount of wack albums and/or songs, the constant drive to look cool or not by liking Eminem (has been happening in cycles since 99 tbh)... Whatever. All that s--- is cyclical and on-going. But his writing? His uniqueness as a writer, at his best - the way he phrases s---, his intuitive understanding of the power of language, his rhyming skill,. his choice of wording... Seriously amazing. He doesn't get nearly enough appreciation for how special he is as a writer and deliverer of words, full stop. I see 100 Jay-Z albums in the top whatever, all the time, and over-praise for very basic s---, whereas for the most part... Em gets the short-end of the stick, usually because he's white and the hype surrounding him. A lot of these things are written by white writers, and white rap fans are obsessed / paranoid with looking like they're not obsessed with Eminem or thinking he's the greatest, so some go out of their way to downgrade him. Which is embarrassing Just say what you feel to be true, if you can back it up, if it's based on what you feel is truth and you can break it down. Some people are f---ing p----'s seriously. Jay, for example, is NOWHERE NEAR Eminem is a writer. No-where-f---ing-near.
Sep 25, 2017 Jay-Z slander in favor of Eminem outside a Youtube comment section, not posted by someone with a Minecraft profile picture and numbers on their username? Something's not right.
Sep 25, 2017 Jay-Z might the greatest lyricist ever and calling him basic only highlights your own stupidity. He has songs that an intelligent listener has to listen to multiple times to catch everything he's saying and doing so the fact that you called him "basic" leaves zero doubt that his music goes right over your head
Sep 25, 2017 I'd say Eminem is the better lyricist of the two but Jay-Z is one of the most intelligent lyricists of all time and a top 5 MC without any doubt. Prime Jay-Z would make light work of Eminem nowadays.
Sep 25, 2017 I father, I Brooklyn Dodger them I Jack, I Rob, I sin Aw man, I'm Jackie Robinson Except when I run base, I dodge the pen This insane wordplay is "basic".
Sep 25, 2017 Even then you're talking two completely different genius entities. So different in fact that it is hard to accurately compare. Jay is the street smart, smooth vocals, witty intelligent lyricist, who doesn't write anything down,. Em the complete wordsmith intent on words and writing them down all day every day, and cares about nothing but bending and flipping them, to the point that it's almost nerdy, but is he is undeniable in his craft in this regard. People say Lebron and Jordan cant be compared! Same goes IMO for Jay and EM. Both greats but very different.
Sep 25, 2017 I agree with what EminemBase said except that "it's because he's white" bs and the "Jay is a basic lyricist" bs. Em on a technical level is untouchable. The fact he's white hasn't been a hindrance or an issue for him since like 2004, it's a reductive irrelevant argument at this point. I don't know how much more appreciation he could get as a lyricist - people leave him out of their lists or don't praise him as much bc of his content. It has its extreme moments at times, and some people are sensitive and put off, simple as. Also the same reason why you see Jay as basic and overrated - bc you don't care for his content or him as a person. He has an intuitive way with words and a talent with phrasing which is why he is top 5.
Sep 25, 2017 Jay-Z Better wordplay Wider range of emotions Better discography Eminem More original Better punchlines Better Storytelling More technical Jay Z doesn’t have a wider range of emotions, I feel like other than anger, Jay-Z is better at expressing emotion than Eminem. Not that Eminem isn’t good at expressing other emotions, he is, just not as good as Jay-Z
Sep 25, 2017 Same genre, just 2 completely different ends of the spectrum Personally I cannot stand them though It’s devolving
Sep 25, 2017 Nobody is making a comparison with the intent of being accurate. If I were to do that, I'd go in-depth with dissecting their work. They can totally be compared, as long as you don't dismiss what they intend to do. You can definitely look at who's the most effective lyricist as there will always be a common goal whenever they write a verse. What you can't do is, say, judge Jay-Z's storytelling skills without going off an actual storytelling song from Jay and compare it to Brain Damage.
Sep 25, 2017 Usually what makes people think Jay-Z is nowhere near Eminem is how Jay-Z doesn't often display an angry delivery and isn't always "tearing beats apart". Little do they know that's not exactly what makes Eminem great.
Sep 25, 2017 We need another Renegade where 2 nearly-50 year old rappers show everyone how it’s done But we’ll never get that because it will never top the first one, and Em is barely featuring on other rappers projects. He’d rather get on a P!nk record apparently. It’s unfortunate because of how perfect the first one was.
Sep 25, 2017 True, and very well articulated. Props my man. Oh, and in bold.... YES!!! This is exactly where most people get lost in translation. I feel this is where most people start blurring the lines when they try and make an direct comparisons from one artist to another. Figuratively speaking yes of course you can compare them both. But it has to be done with a degree of poise and has to be done with an unbiased, which most people don't seem capable of, due to a personal allegiance/preference to one or the other.
Sep 25, 2017 I agree, it's not the same genre at this point. Rapping/Melodic Chanting is probably a vocal technique these days, not an entire genre. I feel like what Migos and them do is Urban/Street Pop, and what Em does is Hip Hop. The two have different elements that comprise them; in regards to attention to melody and vibe, lyricism and concepts. Which I feel like makes them separate genres.
Sep 25, 2017 This is the main reason TBH we'll never get another one. Why try and re-create perfection? You're just setting yourself up for a fall.
Sep 25, 2017 People jump to quick, silly comparisons because they're too shallow to know what makes an artist better than the other. Why do people talk about Jay-Z's rhyme schemes when discussing who's better between him and Eminem without taking into consideration songs in which he actually tries to rhyme more intricately? As opposed to Eminem, he actually doesn't focus on rhyming that much - but he does focus on it on Renegade. So if you're going to discuss their rhyming, go off Renegade. On the topic of rhyming, you don't really need to have complex rhymes all the time to be good - although you don't want nursery rhyme, either - but you need something decent going on. 97' Bonnie & Clyde isn't anything special rhyme-wise, so is it bad? No. It's lyrically dense and just overall done in a very clever way and that's what makes it good. Jay-Z doesn't rhyme that much, but he's a sophisticated lyricist nonetheless. He doesn't need 7+ syllable multis in order to be a good lyricist. Every good lyricist has something interesting to offer lyrically, be it good rhyming, great structure, clever wording, etc... It's not just the rhyming.
