May 7, 2022 @DKC @LasiK not tryna have a go at you specifically. I just hate the mental gymnastics of "we were young and didn't know!" - If you had a 1st world education, you definitely knew what could happen... like lol. @reservoirGod called me reverend but I'm not a pedo and never touched him when he was 7 yrs old so I don't follow?
May 7, 2022 Seems like American sex ed is s---. A majority of parents also think it's "a taboo topic" to talk about with their teenagers.
May 7, 2022 Hmm imo it mostly has to do with people doing something in a spur of the moment and not really thinking about the possible consequences. The thing is what bugs me is people don't have self-awareness to admit they make a decision to have an abortion due to their self-centered nature not some grandiose thinking about the child future. They first and foremost think about themselves and not being able to have "fun" anymore and prolong their childhood. People love to shift the blame on others/other factors to feel better. Also what striked me some people here think that a child needs to grow up in a wealthy home to be happy, which is not the case. What a child mostly needs is a stable family unit that will support it and feeling loved that's all really. As for abortion itself I don't really have a clear position on it. Although as I acknowledged and many people here there are many ways to prevent conception and abortion should be really the last resort. Just my two cents.
May 7, 2022 It is 100% percent s--- and nonexistent in most states. Full of lies too. “Condoms don’t decrease pleasure” GTFO
May 7, 2022 Yeah in many places they teach abstinence only sex ed so they don't teach you about contraception at all. Not even condoms or birth control pills let alone that you can usually get plan b for free at planned parenthood if you can't afford it. Had to do that on two separate occasions when a condom broke and the girls weren't on birth control. Also once with my gf when I was like 18, but I bought it at Kroger for $60 cuz I didn't know s--- about PP and I don't recall them teaching us about it—and that was in one of the most progressive states in the USA.
May 7, 2022 It's both—I don't think anyone really denies that. Of course part of the reason is that you're young and don't want to take care of a kid and I don't think there's anything self-centered about that. That's part of family planning and why should we force someone who doesn't want a kid to have a kid? That's a sure-fire recipe to f--- that kid up if the parents resent them. I agree with you there—if someone is poor and wants to have kids then they should have kids as long as they're able to afford to take care of them. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. I only bring up money because, like in every country in the world, there is extreme poverty in many places where people are already living paycheck to paycheck as it is, and it's impossible for them to properly care for a kid. Not everyone has family members who can afford to help out. I promise you that there are very few women who "want" to get an abortion. I know women who did not want kids at all (like ever, not even when married and such) who had abortions and they were still sad and conflicted about it. They were on birth control and still got pregnant. It's a last resort by nature, cuz if you get pregnant and didn't know you were pregnant there's not much else you can do besides adoption and not everyone wants to go through pregnancy of childbirth. If they know the condom broke and didn't get plan b and didn't do anything about it, they're definitely morons...but again, why should we force people this stupid to care for a child? And like I said in my previous post, sex ed in the USA is trash and people aren't taught about all the diff birth control and contraception methods and plan b etc. But at the end of the day the reason a woman wants to get an abortion doesn't really matter, cuz it's her body and life and therefore her choice. And before anyone brings up the covid vaccine in relation to "my body my choice," I'm not pro-vaccine mandate even if I think people should get it. I think people should be able to be in control of their body and healthcare and that includes abortion.
May 7, 2022 I promise you, Americans in general are even dumber than you think you they are because lots of public schools are garbage and underfunded. But I get your point.
May 7, 2022 I mean…it doesn’t have to be either/or. It can be both. And there’s nothing wrong with taking into account your own quality of life when making this decision. Women having kids to just to grow up to dread the rest of their lives isn’t ideal & will likely negatively impact the child growing up too. One of my closest friends has a kid (5 year old) & is currently pregnant with another. Neither of her pregnancies were planned. She is pro-choice but would never get an abortion herself. But even she has acknowledged, this 2nd baby is going to really take a toll on her life moving forward & the rational/most responsible thing to do from a financial/mental/emotional stand point would be to get an abortion. She would be able to offer the child she already has so much more. But she just personally wouldn’t be able to stomach going through with that.
May 7, 2022 Someone’s opposition to abortion shouldn’t mean that everyone doesn’t have access to it. Add the fact that these GOP lawmakers don’t include exceptions for r---/incest, it shows that this is solely a sadistic effort. EDIT: It should’ve been “doesn’t have access to it” instead of “should have access to it” when this posted.
May 7, 2022 Yeah, I wanna make it clear that if someone is personally against abortion and could never do it themselves, I completely respect that opinion. It's an extremely tough decision and I don't even know if I could if I was in that situation cuz I've never been in it. But like you said, someone's opposition to it shouldn't mean others shouldn't have access.
May 7, 2022 Your joke is that I got molested when I was 7? Super funny. Don't you do cocaine? Didn't your first world education teach you not to do that? Even your lame joke explains why we still need abortion in the first world. Religious fundies are against abortion... but they are also against safe sex... they spread misinformation... they purposefully confuse Plan B for RU486... because they don't want people to have access for either... than they molest children and impregnate them and they force them to get abortions. When abortion is criminalized and Americans lose their right to privacy the public will be shocked about how often nuns get pregnant... it won't be more than before... it will just be known. Like everything you dumb degenerates want... you'll find out you're just a dog chasing a car and won't know what to do when you catch it. This will just lead to more poor people trapped in poverty... leading to more crime... more religious scandals proving them for the utter hypocrites they are... it's completely anti-woman... the biggest slut woman can have sex with 100 dudes in a year and she would only have one pregnancy at most .. a degenerate player a--- dude could have sex with 100 chicks in a year and he could cause 100 pregnancies... someone who is good at math and not a total incel would understand this. Your dumb 4chan culture is becoming the Religious Right and you don't even understand that it's happening to you.
May 7, 2022 Bill Clinton: "Abortion should be safe, legal and rare." Donald Trump: spends a lifetime paying for 500 abortions with borrowed money he never pays back and then his Supremes make abortion unsafe and illegal and the generation of unwanted children it will spawn will lead to, along with the safe sex misinformation his kind spreads... abortion being less rare.
May 7, 2022 @Australia is a grown up anti-vaccince nut job... saying that teenagers in the first world should know better about contraception. Yeah, no s---... but because of people like you we haven't been able to move away from abortion.
May 7, 2022 Your joke is that I'm a reverend cause I'm pro abortion? Super r-----ed, as far as I read cause your gay as aides and boring
May 7, 2022 Thanks for the mention, didn't read your last 5 paragraphs, not reading this one either space monkey
May 8, 2022 I hope @LasiK's wife and child recovered from COVID19 and are 100% healthy and enjoying this holiday.
May 8, 2022 Everybody in this thread talking like there’s no other reasons to need an abortion other than being ‘an idiot’ or being r---d. There’s also circumstantial medical problems that can arise during pregnancies where the mother needs an abortion merely to survive. Also when acknowledging the ‘being an idiot’ argument, adding your own anecdotal personal responsibility to the argument instead of an analysis on a society’s material conditions that shape decisions for example; poverty (financial stress), education (lack thereof influencing ‘idiotic’ decisions), time for parenting (work-life & already straddled with family-oriented dependencies), is not taking a valid stance using the understanding of situational complications so is therefore nothing more than useless babble. The highest abortion rate is in single mothers in their 20s from poor backgrounds (5x more likely whilst in poverty) usually of non-white ethnicity (2x more likely) & lack of high school education. Over half of the USA’s pregnancies are unplanned & half of those are due to lack of access to birth control which is why the USA’s abortion rates are alike to developing countries. There’s a clear connection to how the birth of said unwanted child will have a knock-on effect on the physical & mental well-being of not only the child, but the mother & the projection of the 2 problems = society as a whole as they are integrated into the external-environment affecting other children & spawning a constant generational cycle of abused children becoming abusive adults from trauma, all that can be completely avoided with a simple law. Conservatives will always try to utilise [pseudo]-science when it suits with takes like the debunked ‘overpopulation’ myth & ‘murdering a child in the womb’ even though 9 out of 10 women terminate during the 1st trimester, but then ignore [contextual] science within the same & other arguments for religious or just ignorant stances. If you want to use science, then stop burying your heads in the sand & read the countless studies that have calculated the negative affects non-legal abortion routes create in societies, if to you the individual’s traumas/deaths aren’t enough & listening to women including the ones who’ve survived the ordeals isn’t enough, there’s a myriad of data aligning with each other that this is simply a regressive policy & it is pretty unbelievable that still to this day, this is a bottomless nonsensical argument across supposedly progressive countries. We clearly still have a long way to go.
