Eminem Best Posts: Stanley's Basement | Discussion Thread

  1. Sahil Kohli
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    Jun 26, 2019
    Doing songs with Skylar Grey, Alex Da Kid and Rick Rubin but rejecting instrumentals from Pete Rock, DJ Premier and The Alchemist is the biggest error of his career. Just imagine how phenomenal MMLP2 could've been if it had actual hip hop beats produced by these legends. And dude actually hit the studio with No I.D initially for what was later called MMLP2.

    I'm flabbergasted by his production choices.
     
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  2. Evad
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    Evad Balls

    Jun 23, 2019
    This isn't subtle but it's been my opinion for a long time now.

    I think Recovery was a huge point and a necessary one in his career, I think the real error started to come afterwards and more so on MMLP2. He regained his relevance with recovery, while selling out a good portion but it still felt genuine to a degree. When he decided to do MMLP2 and had that relevance again I'd imagine he felt the only way to be a "successful" artist at that point was to continue with the songs that are meant to target every demographic (continuing to sell out). Meanwhile he should have done what he genuinely wanted like he did with relapse and the discography of his early career, but without the accents obviously and in a better state of mind since it wasn't immediately after detoxing. He shouldn't have continued the pop and love song route on there in the midst of some genuine and some solid tracks. To me that was kind of the beginning of his downfall. Also on MMLP2 I won't forget how it agitated me what happened to his voice despite me trying to ignore it, even though I didn't care about recovery's shouting. He tries to please people too much these days, which is why Kamikaze was such a breath of fresh air. Not because it was one of his best albums.
     
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  3. Z Gangsta
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    Jun 23, 2019
    Rick rubin production is a huge error
     
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  4. Ricky
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    Ricky FORUM BOY SUMMER

    Jun 22, 2019
    For real, he was untouchable back then
     
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  5. Sodium Chloride
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    Jun 22, 2019
    Very good stuff
     
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  6. RetiredAccount
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    RetiredAccount Big Time Stuntin Like My Daddy

    Jun 22, 2019
    He killed shady not himself. That’s why When I’m Gone is a non-shady song and references that as does My Darling. And in Underground he references shady being revived.
    The whole point of relapse was Eminem relapses because Shady is revived and the accents are due to the fact that the revived shady is half Scottish-half Arab.
    Through all of Eminem’s albums at least through MMLP2 there is a minor narrative weaves through the music that basically is the story of Eminem’s rise to fame by dealing with the devil (SSEP), leading to the birth of Shady (SSLP), Eminem is a hybrid of Marshall and Shady (MMLP), all there stories interweave (MMLP and TES), Marshall upsets the balance killing Shady and Eminem (Encore), Marshall brings back Eminem but the balance is upset so Shady comes back and takes over ten fold (Relapse), Eminem finds the balance (Recovery), Marshall and Shady converge as one (MMLP2). Also should note that although they share the same name, Marshall Mathers in the Eminem album universe is a fictionalized version of himself. Revival seems to be all over the place timeline wise but does expand on all three personas. Kamikaze takes place after MMLP2 where Marshall and Shady became one.
     
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  7. Ron Burgundy
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    Ron Burgundy Still a Grade-A prick.

    Jun 21, 2019
     
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  8. skitershady
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    Jun 21, 2019
    Classic
     
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  9. PistolPistol
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    PistolPistol Inappropriate? So be it. I don't see it..

    Jun 20, 2019
    Holy f---! Remember the day. DOPE ALBUM!!
     
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  10. MichaelsMad
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    Jun 13, 2019
    MGK did not say anything about EM, that eminem hasnt already said about himself, or that ppl in the past hasnt said about him in disses. If you take those away it was all "your old, I dress better, your fans like me more now bc I dress better and you're ugly"
    The hold steel/still wasnt really filler. Bc mgk said hed pull up on EM. So EM said " say you run up on me like a phone bill, spraying lead, playing dead the only time you'll hold steel/still" wasnt filler just taking another line MGK said and adding a punch to it. And "til I'm hitting old age can still fill a whole page with a 10 year olds rage" was towards mgk saying hes old and not getting better with time and cant do it like he used too. And what goods a machine gun when it's out of ammo? Hiws that filler? Hes saying that's all MGK had, he has nothing else to say to go deeper than that.

    EM addressed everything he said and replied to it. Not to mention saying mgk thought it was over a pic of hallie but he just didnt like mgk, and that he didnt care who was in the right he was losing the fight he picked. It never was an isolated incident. He kept taking jabs for years at EM. Most of his interviews for his album took time covering the hailie tweet. They spent more time asking Kelly about the hailie thing than they did his album, then free style shots and then sub disses. And saying he dances around the halsey talk but he was clearly bothered by easy being with her, and also taking the Kim line and turning it into a way to say that no matter what hes always gonna live in his shadow.

    Kelly genuinely feels like EM black balled him. He thinks just bc he cant go to shade 45 that's hindered his career. So to just take all of the points mgk said, and flip them with punchlines, and bragging about how when he was mgks age he already solidified his spot in this genre, and that mgk is always gonna live in his shadow is a low blow to Kelly bc he truly thinks EM has hindered him. And then add in s--- like " youd s--- a d-ck to be me for a second, give your life to be as solidified" yeah those may seem like petty lines but theres alot of truth in that lol. EM is at that level now he can "son" ppl like Kelly. Bc at the end of the day, no matter the current debate on EM. He has a reserved seat in this genre, and is still really the only white guy that hip hop has embraced to that extent. Arguments can be made for others but not to the level of EM.

    As far as real in depth personal bars, neither one had those. They dont know each other like that, so they cant get that personal. MGK had been a fly buzzing at EM for years and he finally swatted his a--- on not alike. And that's what mgk had been wanting for years, but he didnt say anything we havent herd against EM before. So EM just soned his a--- to show the difference in catalogue, technical ability, and status. Idc how mgk acts on the breakfast club I'd bet alot, that EM saying he will always live in his shadow, and that he only wishes he could be as solidified really bothered mgk, bc it's true. All that being said I dont hate MGK. I really enjoyed general admission, not so much bloom. But his new album seems like it might have some good tracks aswell. I just feel like mgk handled that whole song and breakfast club interview poorly. MGK can actually rap when he wants to, and hes capable of way more than rap devil. EM was capable of more also but he still soned his a---. I think EM was hoping more ppl fired back so he could handle them all at once personally. Bc in his kamikaze interview he said ima wait and see who else fires back. I think he had something bigger planned. But I do not think rap devil was better than killshot, and I dont hate mgk either. That beat was hard af tho. The intro to it was crazy, it def set the tone.
     
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  11. The Lyricvore
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    Jun 12, 2019
    Rap devil has more replay value because it has a hook. It's the better song but killshot is the better diss track.
     
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  12. Winter
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    Jun 12, 2019
    Em was grasping at straws on Killshot, just like his fans when they try to spin it as a W for him
     
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  13. Lil Squeed
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    Jun 4, 2019
    Em would have been a clear winner if the track itself sounded better than a 2/10
     
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  14. Don Marshall
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    Jun 4, 2019
    Lol. Em murdered MGK with his diss. That's not even debateable. Killshot was a quotefest. What else should he do? Even the Name of the song was a diss. Yeah, Killshot wasn't on The Sauce or Girls Level but it was still very good. I mean MGK is a f---in nobody compared to EM. What else should he say about him?

    "Say you got me in a scope, but you grazed me
    I say one call to Interscope and you're Swayze"

    "Gunner? b----, you ain't a bow and arrow
    Say you'll run up on me like a phone bill, sprayin' lead
    Playin' dead, that's the only time you hold still"

    "Got the Diddy okay so you spent your whole day
    Shootin' a video just to f---in' dig your own grave"

    "The game's mine again and ain't nothin' changed but the locks
    So before I slay this b----, mwah, give Jade a kiss"

    "As big as you're gonna get, so enjoy it
    Had to give you a career to destroy it"

    "How the f--- can him and I battle?
    He'll have to f--- Kim in my flannel
    I'll give him my sandals
    'Cause he knows long as I'm Shady, he's gon' have to live in my shadow"

    "Killshot, I will not fail, I'm with the Doc still
    But this idiot's boss pops pills and tells him he's got skills
    But Kells, the day you put out a hit's the day Diddy admits
    That he put the hit out that got Pac killed, ah"

    And MGK?
    "His f---in' beard is weird"
    LOL

    He literally lost it when someone only mentioned EM's name...


    Em won without a doubt...
     
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  15. dna hits
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    Just stopping to say killshot was trash and honestly the worst diss track I ever tried listening to. From the warning to killshot shows how bad eminem fell off at what he use to do best, disses. Couldn’t ride the beat to save his life with killshot. Remember being so disappointed listening to that trash for the first time thinking we would hear the original sounding Eminem and voice like on the warning.
     
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  16. Xmipod
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    Jun 3, 2019
    Didnt he fake this or something or was that somewhere else
     
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  17. Michael Myers
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    Jun 3, 2019
    "Got more fans than you in your own city lil kiddy go play"

    :yunggang:
     
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  18. Sav Stanfield
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    May 19, 2019
    I've always thought Em woulda been better off if he went the Andre route and just dropped in for a feature now and then instead of everything he's dropped post-hiatus.

    obviously 3 Stacks > Em now though
     
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  19. thatmotherfkr
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    May 6, 2019
    Not to mention em "lookin for smoke" and them scattering refers to his release of kamikaze and the rappers who, for the most part, did not respond. Article written by a dude not understanding what he's listening to. Rap has been handed to idiots and if they dont understand what you're saying they get angry at it. Rolling Stone just catering to the average 17 year old rap dabbler
     
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  20. THE LAST DANCE
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    May 6, 2019
    “Homicide” is so devoid of self-awareness that Logic and Eminem’s markers of quality — double-time flows, abundance of punchlines and “intricate” rhyme schemes — end up sounding worse than the rap music they’re critiquing. At one point, Logic sings through AutoTune, “I got b------s, I got hoes, I got rare designer clothes / No, we ain’t f---in’ with that,” before letting listeners know there is a “time and a place” for those lyrics. It’s offensive on two levels. First, Logic has built his career on repurposing and recycling styles (Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Kanye West) to the point it’s hard to fathom why he thinks he’s creatively above anyone. Second, no matter how much Logic claims he’s an “innovator,” he’s yet to popularize a flow (Migos) or a vocal performance (Future) as well as the people he’s ostensibly mocking. Logic, no matter how successful, is simply a synthesist who is great at spouting respectability politics at the masses over derivative beats.

    Eminem is still the same crotchety relic that haunted Revival and Kamikaze. His verses remain full of empty threats and senseless rhyming for the sake of rhyming (“Big bills like a platypus / A caterpillar’s comin’ to get the cannabis”). For some reason, Em is still complaining about rappers who don’t write their raps, but it’s difficult to ascertain why. During “Homicide’s” ironic peak, Eminem complains that he’s “Makin’ dog sounds ’cause I gotta keep breakin’ these bars down.” Symbolically, the reference rings true. Eminem’s bark has lost all meaning, the bite absent for years. There is a sense that if you let him, his growl will grow eternal with the help of musicians like Logic.

    The bite Eminem’s been warning us about never comes, because it was never there. “Homicide” isn’t that scary when the people who were meant to be killed keep surviving.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/logic-eminem-homicide-830447/
     
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