Dec 15, 2025 at 9:07 AM I swear it's just because Em is known as a rapper first, not a producer. Despite producing some of the most fire beats ever.. @: - The Way I Am - Criminal - Without Me - Lose Yourself - Renegade If he wasn't who he is as a rapper... he would 100% be considered a top producer. I'm listening to Loyal to the Game now. The beats are good, everything is arranged and mixed well, it all feels as one and he put 2pac's material together well to create good songs. What's bad about it? The only thing I don't like is him manipulating Pac's vocals to sort of, shout him (Em) or G-Unit out etc. the ethics of that... / changing a dead man's vocals to say something he may not have wanted to say and imply association is very questionable lol. And Em should understand, since he sued the New Zealand political party not long ago for creating a 'Lose Yourself' copycat beat and implying association/advocacy from Em, with the ad and tempo and everything too. But at least he's alive to contest it.
Dec 15, 2025 at 9:27 AM yea I prefer Em's slowed down vocals over the originals. Listen to OG Ghetto Gospel. It is an unremarkable song. Eminem's version makes it have more impact and emotion. Same with Don't You Trust Me and others.
Dec 15, 2025 at 9:33 AM i know a lot of people didn’t like this album, personally i did, but em’s production and mixing on welcome to: our house is outstanding
Dec 15, 2025 at 10:40 AM Mike Elizondo and Tommy Coster produced The Way I Am. Jeff Bass and DJ Head produced Criminal. Jeff Bass, DJ Head, Steve King and Mike Strange produced Without Me. Jeff Bass, Steve King, Luis Resto and DJ Head produced Lose Yourself. (Eminem failed to credit Heads name to this song and took the drum programming credit himself, funnily enough this is right around the time Head stopped working with Eminem) Renegade was produced by DJ Head with later elements added by Luis Resto. It’s highly likely that the entire Loyal To Tha Game album was mostly produced by Steve King and Luis Resto, with Eminem handling just the drum programming.
Dec 15, 2025 at 4:19 PM Because it sucks. Eminem is not underrated as a producer because he's successful. Quite the opposite.
Dec 15, 2025 at 7:44 PM The album had great beats but what a shame he had to f--- up his one and only verse with that corny universalist message in the hook: [verse] To this day, the game will never be the same No matter how much fame and success they attain There will never be another me And no matter what they do, there will never be another you You can search, but you'll never find You can try to rewind time, but in your hearts and your minds We will never die, we are forever alive And we continue growin', one day at a time Always makes me roll my eyes. Just cheapens the whole thing. Looks like Dr. Stanley is gonna have to step in again.
Dec 16, 2025 at 3:51 AM if you forget about the "there will never be another you" the rest of the lyrics are about him or rappers, so why not thumbs up there? I don't mind the universalist message here, but it would have been cooler if he said "in your hearts and your minds I will never die, I am forever alive, where I continue growing one day at a time." although maybe too pretentious
Dec 16, 2025 at 6:59 PM Thugs get lonely too ft. Nate dogg is actually one of my favorite pac songs. However It always bothered me that tech n9nes verse off the original was taken off.
Dec 17, 2025 at 1:20 AM Luis Resto literally said Em has 'symphonies in his head' and they've all confirmed Em hums the melodies to them. That's full on coming up with the actual melody and musical drive of songs. Which is more than most hip-hop producers do, which is often as you point out just drum programming. This is why Em's beats match his flow, because he used to think of the flow, and melodic drive and they'd build the music to match what he instructed. You got it backwards.
Dec 17, 2025 at 10:38 AM No, I don’t. You should do some actual research instead of screenshotting some phrase from an AI Google question response, you homeless inbred wigger. In DJ Heads Vice interview, he was actually asked about Renegade. Although for some strange reason that part of the interview doesn’t exist anymore: Spoiler But I remember when it did exist. And I remember the answer he gave. IIRC He said something along the lines of coming up with Renegade one night whilst watching some late night jazz show thing on BET, and that’s where the groove of the bassline in Renegade came from. And we already know he did the drums. So yes, he pretty much did produce Renegade. It was his original idea. It’s unclear who added the choir sounds and piano from the original version, but it obviously wasn’t Eminem. Then when Eminem did the version with Jay-Z, he got Resto to add some more parts.
Dec 17, 2025 at 10:43 AM “Humming Melodie’s” is far from producing music. It’s the real producers job, like Bass, King and Resto, to put Eminems ideas into the right key, find the right notes, play the instruments and see what works. This whole “Eminem is a great producer” thing I’ve never ever bought into. It was just an old trick that Dre taught him early on in order to squeeze more money from royalty sales by putting his name as a main producer credit. Dre has been doing it himself since the 90s. Yeah Eminem can work an MPC and make drum patterns but that’s as far as his producing skills go, and most of his drum tracks are s-----y and basic anyway. The decline in quality of the drums from TES to Encore is clear to see. Yes, occasionally he would start by humming his own drums or rhythm, like The Way I Am, but the majority of the time his songs were completely started by a DJ Head drum track, then finding what works from there, as confirmed by Jeff Bass himself.
Dec 17, 2025 at 7:24 PM The meldoies are what made his beats. People remember the melodies. When you think of without me, people think 'DA DUM DA DAH DAH DAH DAH DUM DAH DAH', when people think of 'Lose Yourself', people think of the 'DUM DUM CHUM, DA DUM DUM CHUM' etc. It's what makes the music memorable. But he also did fully produce the songs and is far more involved than 'real producers' and hands on. So, you're wrong.
Dec 18, 2025 at 1:05 AM Eminem did not create/hum the main melody for Without Me, nor did he hum or create the Lose Yourself guitar melody. They were both completely created by Jeff Bass on a keyboard and guitar, the former created over one of DJ Heads drum beats. You’re completely musically illiterate. You should stop talking about things you know nothing about and go back to begging people in dms to lend you drug money, you smackhead pikey.
Dec 19, 2025 at 9:08 AM I'm a big fan of both Em and Pac and listen to this album from time to time so here's my opinion I think the main problem is that it's produced to be an Em album and not a Pac album. The beats sound like something you'd hear on The Eminem Show, Encore, MMLP, Devil's Night, etc. and not something from All Eyez on Me or 2Pacalypse or Me Against the World. It just doesn't fit. It's an Em album with 2Pac rapping instead of Em. Even the features: G-Unit, Obie Trice, Dido, Elton John, etc. The second problem is the altering of Pac's vocals. A lot of the recordings were slowed down or sped up to fit the beats. Which is a problem that stems from the first one. Some songs sound like Chipmunk versions of Pac songs. And making him say things he never did is very disrespectful I agree with OPs point that the production is otherwise solid. It just never should've been a Pac album. Had Em/50/Obie/D12 rapped on these beats instead, it would've been quite well-received imo
