Jan 20, 2016

I fell asleep each time I tried watching the NWA movie. I thought it was pretty bad and don't see how it was snubbed for anything lol.

 

Jan 20, 2016

You're kind of overlooking the fact that there have been historic victories for black actors and actresses, in fact, numerous victories. I get what you're saying, but the conditions you're setting up for the Academy to "prove they're not racist" would be hard to meet by any film. When a "black film" isn't nominated, it's racist. When it's nominated but doesn't win, it's racist. If it's nominated, wins, but has too many white people involved or doesn't tell the "right" kind of "black" story then they're racist. Don't you see that that greatly narrows down the number of films you could root for? Not to mention the competition is f---ing fierce.

You're not stupid. You clearly follow the Oscars closely, but looking at Compton, what else could it have been nominated for? Best Picture and screenplay. I could definitely see best director, I mean, it's directed better than Spotlight, but do you think that is going to beat the Revenant? Alejandro González Iñárritu has established himself as a directing GOD. Don't you see that your standard is too extreme?

 

Jan 20, 2016

they have been but it's a bit moot if it's not sustained no? i used the word tokenism before. I don't particularly like your logic -- would you say because the Academy nominated Charlotte Rampling, they don't historically have an issue nominating women over the age of 40?

My trumpeting for more opportunity and fair consideration of black films/actor isn't extreme, or silly. Compton deserved Picture, like the #8 slot. Jason Mitchell deserved more recognition than he got for playing Eazy, imo. (Supporting Actor is ALWAYS a beast, so I get overlooking him)

And, you know what, the tropes is also an issue. Denzel wins for playing an evil cop, but not Steven Biko or Malcolm X. Monique wins for playing an abusive, disturbed mother. Lupita plays a slave. Forest Whitaker plays a genocidal dictator. And this coming from an industry that frequently appoints itself the morality police, labelling GOPers as racist monsters for not indulging their politics. Sure, you occasionally see exceptions to the rule, but it doesn't take a genius to see there's certain patterns at play here............

 

Jan 20, 2016

vintage perry

 

Jan 20, 2016

I'll plead ignorance to your argument about women under 40, I genuinely don't know, but do you think that the reason women under 40 are nominated more is because they are typically given more leading roles?

I agree Mitchell was outstanding, but yeah, it's a close call.

But I want to focus on your final point about the type of roles black actors have won for. I'll admit you had me thinking here, but look at the history of the winners and you can see that evil roles tend to bring out the best in actors, regardless of race. Whether it's Simmons in Whiplash or Waltz in Inglorious b------s. Plus, many people who AGREE with you and are arguing that the Oscars are "too white", say that Idris Elba should have been nominated for his role in Beast of No Nation. But even Elba has said that he has had more opportunity in America than in Britain.

I think you're not taking into consideration the more likely reasons such as when the movies were released which has historically been a more accurate criticism of the Oscars.

Your best friend agrees with me lol dumbass. And CA's criticism is basically a criticism of you also. There's no way you can agree with CA here and continue to deny TPAB, without your logic being completely inconsistent.

 

Jan 20, 2016

i can't think the academy skews a little white while also thinking one rap record is a little overrated?

 

Jan 20, 2016

To an extent, yes, younger women get more roles I guess. (defer to geena davis on that actually http://seejane.org/research-informs-empowers/) But that's the same indictment lol. and doesn't explain why they snubbed jane fonda and helen mirren. in short, there's bias everywhere: race, gender, sexuality, genre.

And dude it isn't binary wtf -- hollywood should nominate great work AND occasionally reward positive depictions of a race. don't be so deductive. dont take my word for it -- listen to more george clooney and less obie trice my good man. Like, YES OF COURSE the academy can give oscars to villains -- but when one race is honored only for negative representations of their race???? #wat -- Am glad I got you thinking though!!!


finally, everyone who reads this -- vote and weigh in:

 

Jan 20, 2016

You can't use merit-based arguments against TPAB then laugh at those same arguments regarding black film

 

Jan 20, 2016

...what? hahahaha. i have said that i don't think To p---- a Butterfly is a great rap album. how is that at odds with wishing the academy recognized deserving black films and filmmakers?

 

Jan 20, 2016

^^^^^^^^

 

Jan 20, 2016

what are you trying to argue? kendrick's rap album is not a great rap album. many great films by and/or starring black people are not properly recognized. these are not at odds with one another.

 

Jan 20, 2016

^^

no shots at perry im legit confused lol

 

Jan 20, 2016

also, matt damon getting a nomination for best actor is #whiteprivilege right>?

 

Jan 20, 2016

i think it was @captain awesome saying (correctly) to me the other day that The Martian is a movie stars make between oscar movies.

 

Jan 20, 2016

lol ofc @Narsh jumps into this convo when paul is under siege. dont be scared of me narshus. i can be an ally as long as you dont f--- with my third rail

perry wat does ur gf look like

 

Jan 20, 2016

I legitimately thinking CA is going senile

 

Jan 20, 2016

"the media"

 

Jan 20, 2016

ive spooked you, you dodge me now. thats why you wont come on the podcast and thats why you wont join me this sunday in the t station

i see you saw trumps latest interview lol. bet awards have nominated eminem before no? and that comparison doesn't even make sense, which you know im sure. for the record, im not arguing a liberal point of view --- i'm calling liberals hypocrites which you should value and enjoy.

 

Jan 20, 2016

why are you even on this forum