J. Cole Nation: Chat Thread

Started by Mike Tyson, Dec 23, 2014, in Music Add to Reading List

  1. Kold
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    Sep 18, 2016
    Killers is probably the biggest waste of a J. Cole track. How that s--- wasn't saved for an album is dumb af.
     
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  2. reD10S
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    reD10S The real is back

    Sep 18, 2016
    Lol you could say that about many Cole tracks
     
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  3. Bliss
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    Bliss I don't have any bitches

    Sep 18, 2016
    Cause the verse is trash period. Dude rapping bout some cheerleader who is getting beat by her man and next line saying that dude is bitter cause Cole is f---ing her before she calls him lmaooo
     
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  4. Lieutenant R
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    Sep 18, 2016
    The hook could've been better, love the song though
     
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  5. Nav Bhatia
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    Nav Bhatia Bitch, be humble

    Sep 18, 2016
    How he held on to wet dreamz for 6 years but couldn't save killers is beyond me
     
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  6. Uncle Luke
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    Sep 18, 2016
    :lmaooo:
     
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  7. Uncle Luke
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    Sep 18, 2016
    Killers was on a soundtrack wasn't it???
     
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  8. Kold
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    Sep 18, 2016
    Not quite. It was part of some art project about the "glorification of gangster" that Alex Haidi (he did CW:TSS artwork) was doing. It was supposed to be a collection of songs by different artists.

    In other words, Cole should have saved this for an album.
     
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  9. Uncle Luke
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    Sep 18, 2016
    I think Cole makes multiple references to Kendrick’s “Control” verse in this song. He’s already addressed it a few times directly and indirectly (TKO remix and May the Bitter Man Win), but since this is the first album-track Cole has put out since “Control” was released in August of last year, it makes sense that he would address it here. It was a moment that shook the rap game and led to both controversy and misconception. Cole first references this in the hook – “don’t let ‘em take control.” As it applies within the hook, this is to be interpreted as Cole looking back and warning himself not to let the fans control or influence his music. This is a theme Cole referenced throughout all of Born Sinner, and continues here. With regards to Kendrick, Cole not only refers directly to “Control” here, but he is also thinking back to when fans jumped ship and hopped on the K. Dot bandwagon after the release of GKMC and then “Control.” As Cole pointed out in “May the Bitter Man Win” this was something that led to much insecurity for him, and he was likely tempted to change his music in order to re-gain his seat as the king of the rap game. Of course, Cole makes clear throughout the album that he has reclaimed the seat and the crown, and proclaims that moving forward, there “ain’t gon’ be no more kings” in “Fire Squad.” This is applicable in the lines “the bigger we get the more likely egos collide/ it’s just physics, please, let’s put our egos aside/ you my nggas, and should our worst tendencies/ turn us into enemies/ I hope that we remember these/ nights fulla Hennessy.” He is saying, not only to Kendrick, but to all his contemporaries, that as much as their pride and lust for fame may cause them to turn on each other, he hopes in the end that they can come together as brothers. This plays right into the theme of the album – that everyone should drop their petty desires and embrace love as the only true way to find happiness. Of course, he throws in a subtle reminder to his fellow rappers that he is the one who re-opened the door for real and genuine lyricism – “I brought you nggas with me cuz I love you like my brothers.” (Similar to in “Apparently” when he says, “waiting on thanks from a few, cuz without me you wouldn’t exist) Later in the verse Cole makes another reference to "Control” when he calls himself “New York’s finest.” Just as Kendrick proclaimed he was “king of New York” and “king of the coast” Cole says in this song that he is both Carolina’s and New York’s finest – that his influence is not limited to only his hometown, but it stretches to the hip hop capital of the world. The next reference Cole makes is when he says “I climb it and set the bar so high that you gotta get Obama to force the air force to find it.” In “Control,” Kendrick initiates the extended metaphor at the end of his verse with, “what is competition? I’m tryna set the bar high/ who’s tryna jump and get it? you are better off tryna sky dive/ out the exit window of five G5s” Cole is saying that he is going to raise the bar from where Kendrick set it. Forget the “five G5s” in Kendrick’s verse, Cole will set the bar so high that Obama will need to get involved in order to find it. Similar to how Kendrick describes the difficulty of reaching that bar in his verse, Cole follow’s that line with a dismissal – “never mind it, you’ll never reach that.” The final reference Cole makes to Control is the most obvious one – “you might be Drizzy Drake, or Kendrick Lamar/ but check the birth date n*gga, you ain’t the God.” While Cole does speak in different perspectives throughout the album to illustrate the various desires he faced in his life – different things he thought would make him happy – he does make it clear that despite his realization that he should put those desires aside and appreciate what he has, he was and IS the greatest rapper alive. He claims that title while reflecting on his journey to where his is now, and quickly dismisses it. By the end of the album, Cole is saying that while in his mind he is most certainly the king of rap, he will no longer seek external validation for that claim. As he says in “Note to Self,” no matter what critics say about him from now on, he is content with the work he has put out, and he will continue to make music that spreads love and makes him happy. In his mind, that freedom from societal expectations is what makes him the greatest rapper alive.
     
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  10. J.T.
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    Sep 18, 2016
    It just played on the finale of Vice Principals on HBO
     
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  11. Cool Hand Luke
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    Cool Hand Luke born sinner is mediocre

    Sep 18, 2016
    @JimmyBucketsNC use some paragraph breaks bro lol thats a nasty wall of text rn
     
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  12. Uncle Luke
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    Sep 19, 2016
    Got it from rap genius :hehehe:
     
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  13. Lockness
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    Lockness Never knew a nigga that was better

    Sep 19, 2016
    Yeah definitely wouldn't go if saving that money is more important
     
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  14. Equis
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    Sep 19, 2016
    in NY, there are like no cops, except for 23rd street..
    like a terrorist attack didn't happen or something
     
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  15. Equis
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    Sep 19, 2016
    I thought Venice was better than Malibu but then I relistened to Malibu again and I cannot say that for sure, this dude is nice!

    Game is corny

    Just copped ps4.. Setting up a gamertag soon, I'll let yall know

    - 1
     
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  16. Equis
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    Sep 19, 2016

    alll in the spriiiite
     
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  17. Gattuso8
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    Sep 19, 2016

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    Anderson Paak is my favorite artist atm
     
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  18. King Simba
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    Sep 19, 2016
    Yo that KRIT Kenneth whalum track is on par with Be Free. Least in terms of emotion. Real artists
     
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  19. King Simba
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    Sep 19, 2016
    Dreamville snapchat randomly played the Cole verse on tko remix. Prolly nothing:mjsosad:
     
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  20. Pazuzu
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    Sep 19, 2016
    Cole to the rescue?
     
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