Mar 23, 2016

Reviews only matter when you looking for somewhere to eat imo.

 

Mar 23, 2016

word found a nice Italian restaurant the other day from reviews come to find out my homies dad bought the s--- the same week, first time using food reviews, s--- changed my life

- DP

 

Mar 23, 2016

How is tpab viewed as better album if FHD received better public reception. And it's not just "I like it better." Like I said, I can go through the flaws of tpab which makes it a chore to sit through. From the repeated poem, the failed punchline that is the tupac interview, the convoluted sound, a concept that's not welly executed (peep GKMC), Kendrick's annoying flow. I could go on. I actually have reasons for why it's not a very good album and I could elaborate on the examples I gave.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Alright you must have me mistaken. I really was gonna just end the conversation but you wanna reignite that's fine. Let me go back in.

What you brought up are reviewers who used objective descriptors of music.

"A lot of songs have extended hooks before the chorus with the verse playing more like an equal part"

Yes this is an undeniable fact in what I think is a dope song, as much as this can be equally used to describe improvement. What is seen as improvement in extended hooks to another writer could be seen as a drawback to another reviewer.
Another writer could see the extended hooks as a unnecessary addition that takes away from another song. Two interpretations of an objective statement.
The writer also sights improvement in signing in that Freddie sounds more like August Alsina than himself. Another writer could have easily said "Freddie Gibbs is out of his range as a vocalist, tackling songs with a newfound form of expression, but lacking the technical ability of an August Alsina, a huge downfall of the song Basketball Wives."
If those examples ain't good enough for you let me go a little deeper.
Lets take TPAB for example, one of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year. Lots of people could say 7th and 9th jazz chords are married perfectly on the song For Free to create a bouncy beautifully weaved canvas that Kendrick effortlessly races over.

Another individual could say the although the canvas provided by the jazz chords are ambitious, as much as they are in tune, they seem rather forced and disjointed and Kendrick's thoughts seem to outpace his delivery, leaving the listener more confused than amazed.

These are two different ways to come to two different conclusions about the similar objective observations. They are both influenced by personal feelings or opinions considering the facts, which is the opposite of objective. So yes one writer could point out that To p---- A Butterfly is complex, which we could all agree but one reviewer could say its resulted in it being convoluted while another says its an intricate masterpiece. One writer could say The Life of Pablo is disjointed mess while another writer says its disjointed by the design and brilliantly keeps the listener off balance.

Thats why you're so called bringing up objective definitions are still subject to subjectivity, because at the end of the day the writer uses objective definitions and observations to match their subjective opinion. What can be seen as not well-executed writing that barely scratches the surface on FHD could also be seen as simple phrases by design that invoke the reader to see themselves in Cole. Simplicity to one person can be bland to another. All I've said throughout this whole argument is simply that even with music reviewers subjectivity mostly rules, especially when you're talking about mostly professional artists who aren't making anything with notes that are out-of-tune or amateurely mixed (which could also be seen as done on purpose and properly executed in some forms of music).

Again, its funny in this thread that y'all want to talk objectivity and some people don think Cole's s--- isn't mixed well, but when I bring up the fact FHD has statistically the highest dynamic range out of any Cole, Kendrick, Drake album y'all don't give a s---. Do you know why, because we choose what objective definitions of things about music we want to work to fit our arguments and reviewers do the exact same and that in itself is subjective because it is subject to personal bias. That is all I've ever said during this argument and that was my whole point. s--- like harmony, micing techniques, compression etc are all musical definitions that are can be objectively identified but how they contribute to the quality of music or the execution of music is ultimately up to the listener and that is subjective. That is my argument and nothing else. My point is reviews at the end of the day are more subjective than objective and that's all there is to it. Just because reviewers know musical terms and concepts dosen't mean they escape subjectivity and that's all I've been trying to say nothing else. Thats why I see reviews as simply another subjective informed perspective, not an objective one. If you have a problem with that thats fine we'll disagree but thats the last I will say on this subject because I have nothing else to say.

When n----s come at me like they won but really didn't that just reignites me, like when that VCU player talked trash to Buddy Hield and he went on to ball and lead Oklahoma to victory.

I'm Cole's attorney for a reason. We don't take L's on this side since FHD

 

Mar 23, 2016

 

Mar 23, 2016

And I thought I was good at arguing Not even close to @Kold level. Remind me never to get in a debate with you. I know who I'm nominating for best JCN poster

 

Mar 23, 2016

Lets look at Nas for a minute. Nas has one of the most acclaimed hip hop albums ever. That holds a lot of value doesnt it? The fact that illmatic is so critically acclaimed? Would illmatic still be looked at as one of the greatest albums ever 20 years later by a generation that cant relate to it if not for the acclaim? This is what @Lockness was saying earlier. Years down the road, acclaim generally stands the test of time. Youre more likely to give an album that is highly rated a chance than an album thats poorly rated. Just like when you check the IMDB scores on a movie to decide if you wanna watch it. Also,
@reD10S did you really just use "kendricks annoying voice" as a "flaw" on TPAB

 

Mar 23, 2016

Umm Ye... Dude has one of the best flows in the rap game, but decides to abandon it for some reason. I just can't stand listening to that dark and toxic flow. It's even more noticeable in untitled unmastered.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Illmatic is still a classic to me because it IS relatable still. That's what classic means to me. In other words, it's timeless. I'm not even trying to enter the discourse on objectivity or Cole vs Kenny, just can't stand to see Illmatic be reduced to only being a classic because of its critical acclaim. That album is STILL entirely relevant and birthed a generation of hip-hop. No critic can be given credit for that. And it ain't hard to tell either.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Side bar, never compliment a girl on her hand size. My guys gassed me into flirting with a waiterss and I froze up and said her hands were small but cute... Weakest moment since pampers bro. She was literally speechless my game was so bad. I'm out of practice. f---.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Also, tequila on a Tuesday is A1. Love JCN all y'all. Even pettyfuckboyNC.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Lol nah man you were basically saying the same thing as me I was just writing 3-page essays to prove my point which isn't always necessary. Lmao. Debates are always good sometimes I'm wrong and it causes me to reevaluate my perspective whether it be music or life. Always good to learn.

 

Mar 23, 2016

Thanks homie.

 

Mar 23, 2016

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immediate L.

Ok imma try not write more paragraphs cus nobody changing stance (plus were lowkey agreeing with each other to an extent) and I feel like this isnt coming across as the convo it is.

But im just gonna say that this has been my point throughout this whole thing, even if it got lost in the essays somewhere.

Ive never stopped acknowledging that these are still opinions, but when, in that review, he points out that the verses in that song all end in similar harmonies, he's making a statement. An objective, factual statement. As i've said 30 times during this convo, this shouldnt influence your sentiments on the song it's just a more informed perspective you mightve not had before. Do with that what you like.

I think we agree up to that point which im cool with.

I do see where we part ways in opinion. (Closing thoughts)

I do believe that an average rating of 40 (ie speeding bullet) vs one with a 90 avg (ie. Idk stankonia or sumn) on an album is at least somewhat indicative that the quality of one is better than the other. But like i said scores dont matter much, just an easy over simplified summary. I put more weight on the reviews themselves and i do think people can learn from them and get different perspectives.


But whatever, you aint writing no more about it I aint either and I know n----s are tired of reading it. So, we'll leave it at that than.

U a trooper kold, salute

 

Mar 23, 2016

d---, I go MIA for 5 days and 50% off yall turn into JB with these long a--- paragraphs and s---

 

Mar 23, 2016

@johnny waverock you relate to project hallways? the war on drugs by the reagans? mass incarceration by the clintons after that? crack cocaine? i'm older than most on here and I only sorta relate. I'm not gonna assume that you don't but I just know there are far more people who don't... i'm sure you weren't listening to illmatic when it came out so what made you give it a listen? when that s--- dropped the two most prominent rappers Pac and Big were basically saying that album was overrated in their diss songs. But the fact that the album to this day comes up in rappers top fives, magazines are doing anniversary pieces for it and it's on every list gives people a reason to even listen. Did yall see all the attention over weekend's House of Balloons 5 year anniversary yesterday (i think)? Articles written about how it changed R&B. I'm speaking for myself here but i think yall are mistaking 'critical acclaim' for just what some reviewer said 2 days after listening it to it. It's much more than that. could be Sway in the morning talking about an album on his radio show, or combat jack talking about an album on his podcast, or jay-z talking about an album in an interview. These dudes have influence and that's the stuff that keeps those albums still in the conversation years from now.

And it's Sideline Story's 5 yr anniversary this year. Imagine what kind of attention he would get if that joint was an actual classic.

Just woke up and wanted to get those last thoughts out there, regardless of whether you (or someone else) responds.

 

Mar 23, 2016

We Major is a still timeless masterpiece

~CAN I TALK MY s--- AGAIN~

 

Mar 23, 2016

Y'all heard that new Show Me Love song with Chance? s----s about to be the summer jam

 

Mar 23, 2016

Where the fcku Cole at!!?

 

Mar 23, 2016

Bas Cozz and Omen are all listed as one artist on the Lolla poster