Jan 19, 2021 So looking at the recent conversation going on: You guys want Em back in the Hit/Radio chasing game? Lol I can see why we will never get a album with one consistent sound again like “Relapse” If I was Em and his team, I’d be confused too.
Jan 19, 2021 Lol. The albums are not even promoted anyway. It's amazing that all of them can make it to the billboard lists when he releases an album. On the other hand, my personal opinion but also it's kinda points out to a reality. Lock It Up kinda songs would have been #1 back in early 00s. But now, I'm not even sure what makes a song go #1. A trap beat is essential for sure but it doesn't even have to be something special. Hook could have been any kinda mumbling autotuned singing or rapping. Flows usually are same as any other song on albums etc. So for the last few years, I don't even know what is popular, lol. I barely like anything popular for years now. Plus, Godzilla hook was fine but it was one of the worst songs on that album to my ears. Never been a fan of fast rapping. GNAT was so much better, that beat with jazzy tunes at the end, the whole calmer flow before that jazzy fast part, all were better but yet it doesn't seem like it can reach Godzilla's success. So at this point, I feel like it's all about promo and luck more than ever now that determines which song is gonna blow up. h---, I'M not even sure Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself or Still DRE Would have been as big as they have been if they were released today. Btw, I'm not even the type of guy that doesn't enjoy new sounds or anything, it's just the popular rap songs of our days are really weaker compared to the older ones, not even speaking lyrical or rapping wise, just sonically.
Jan 19, 2021 Im not mad at this argument. I completely understand it now. I had to realize myself being older that what I feel Rap is, is not what it is NOW. TPAB is a classic. It hits the mark as far as what Rap use to be rated by. But..... Is TPAB as enjoyable or entertaining as “Take care”? “IYRTITL”? “NWTS”? No. Does that mean it’s better than “GKMC” or “TPAB”? To me, and what I feel a Rap standard should be, no. Absolutely not But, in a time in which Cardi B has a Best Rap album Grammy, I can’t be mad if these new era of fans feel different
Jan 19, 2021 So guess, Diddy is the new Hailie. Not sure what samples have to do with "d list" artists ? Em pays for samples and uses them anyway. It's not about who is featured it's about the beat. As for your free features, I doubt anybody really would ask Em for money if he offered a feature, it's still a win win when you have a feature with Eminem. You just get one feature back, that's always been like this, Pink, Rihanna etc. everyone except Beyonce had their payment with another feature. And who knows maybe Beyonce might have gotten one for her album too if she ever releases, I don't think she released one after Revival, even if she did, she might have not used Em's verse anyway. Not sure what is the reason behind those features but it's probably a simple one, because he wanted to work with those guys and thught they would fit on the songs. Sky is like his little sister at this point. If you are determined to search for some dumbass theories for this one, at least try to make a sense of it, samples have nothing to with it.
Jan 19, 2021 Umm, Yes TPAB is more enjoyable than all of those albums to me. IYRYRYRY album is wack as f--- to me. Other 2 are really fine but not great as albums, I can agree both of them having songs with more replay values than TPAB but as an album, I won't sit and listen to those from front to back in this day and age. TPAB is a classic on the other hand, the jazzy influences on it are enough. ANd it's probably my least fav Kendrick album anyway.
Jan 19, 2021 The “Vince Carter” problem Once he dunked his arm in the rim, people expect that level or higher each time This next Kendrick project is going to be interesting. He is now up against S80, GKMC, and TPAB. Happens with everyone. People are expecting him to top this. Not even it lower, but to top these. His only loophole was that “d---” and “Untitled” were..... cool. It’s possible to top these. But, Rap fans are fickle and don’t give a f---.
Jan 19, 2021 Right. You probably fall in the same area as me as far as enjoying lyrics. But, it’s a minority compared to how Rap is viewed now. You ever tried to have a conversation with a Drake fan? “Okay but, is he on the charts?” “That lyrical s--- is boring” “*Repeats the most basic level Drake line* CMON MAN. Fire! Kendrick can’t do that” “Girls don’t f--- with that” Etc, etc, etc. Again, Cardi has a Best Rap Grammy and Rap is now what POP use to be (Not as much because, none of these dudes seeing old Britney, Christina, or Nysnc money though) So, again I get it. I’m a Dinosaur. I can say that Em “Wine” bar, “Bowling” bar, or even the “Punking out” bar, and no one is going to give a f---
Jan 19, 2021 You’re conflating so many different subjects & fans. Kendrick is a megastar at this point. Hip hop halts to a standstill when he drops, he has the potential to do more numbers than Drake this year. Drake is a bloody pop star, he doesn’t belong in the same conversation because he doesn’t make the same type of music or even for the same purpose. So if someone “prefers“ Drake music over the likes of the Kendrick’s etc then they’re not invested in the culture/genre as a whole & they are simply a casual music fan which should be obvious once someone dismisses writing as a metric of quality, they become irrelevant to any hip hop conversation. The whole notion that lyrics have become irrelevant is total nonsense. Pop[ular] is always going to be higher, especially in a streaming era, the clue is in the name, doesn’t mean writing isn’t valued by millions across the world.
Jan 19, 2021 blah blah blah blah he was talking about the hooks on sing for the moment and beautiful and both those are samples from old classic rock songs u dummy -_- beyonce feature was free of course cuz jay respects em & he facilitated that feature
Jan 19, 2021 If I were to die, murdered in cold blood tomorrow Would you feel sorrow, or show love? Or would it matter? Could never be the lead-off batter If there ain't s--- for me to feed off, I'm see-saw battlin' >>
Jan 19, 2021 We in this thread are a minority in comparison. Look at the current conversation in here about Em and radio success. We can’t have both anymore. You can’t get “Love the way you Lie” and a album of Side Bs. Back then yes. Now? In my opinion, no. Main point being like I stated early I see why someone will enjoy a Drake project more over a Kendrick project. Lyrics aren’t respected to the overall. People that still hold lyrics to the highest regard are shrinking drastically. You sound crazy now saying Lupe is better than Drake because the overall new fan of Rap doesn’t give a f---. I do. But, I understand why a new Rap fan does not. Again, I 100% agree with you. I’m just speaking about where Rap is now in the overall sceme of things.
Jan 19, 2021 But again that’s conflating subjects. Lupe’s music doesn’t appeal to the masses or many people at all really. It’s not that his writing is top notch & people just don’t f--- with that, he makes tasteless music to the majority. It’s the lyricist’s ability to make compelling, enjoyable music whilst simultaneously making uncompromised art. Eminem used to do this, now he has to choose where to focus his aim & that causes a split in the middle of his fans.
Jan 19, 2021 But, let me ask you: Don’t you think lyrics and what Rap use to represent be enough to propel a album to success back in the day? Yes. The singles were there, but, what mattered more was the album itself. h---, before the Em beef with The Source, the Mic rating system use to matter. Then it move to the XXL rating system I just think like it’s more about what’s popular and can stream vs what the album itself is about like it use to be This can also be a case of just how big Rap is now: Lyrical, Trap, Meme, Mumble, Radio. It has different sections now
Jan 19, 2021 Jeezy has hits and his batte was boring, he pretty much let Gucci win. I think it would be fun. If they were smart they would do 50 Vs Em.
Jan 19, 2021 Wouldn't be surprised if hes done it to an extent his whole career. Obviously more lately because he changes his flows a lot.
Jan 19, 2021 A lot (most?) Eminem fans always want what they didn’t get recently and don’t want what they want once they get it.
Jan 19, 2021 I'd love to hear a serious song from them both. Especially these days with how well Em is rapping.
Jan 19, 2021 Actually Rap is what Alternative Rock/Punk Rock was in the 00-10s. They were all over the charts
Jan 19, 2021 I understand & acknowledge pop cultures influence in the hip hop landscape after labels started to realise they could market hip hop to white audiences, but magazines & publications just aren’t a big deal anymore, so you just see less of the success but the numbers are there. I don’t think there’s any negative disparity between what was successful back then & now, if anything like you said, there’s more success now in multiple lanes because of how music is distributed & consumed these days. There has always been pop music & casual music listeners, they used to listen to the radio, now they impact the numbers with streaming along with hip hop becoming the #1 genre recently.
