Serious Do You Support the Death Penalty?

Started by DKC, Mar 19, 2021, in Life Add to Reading List

Do You Support the Death Penalty?

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  1. Ricky
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    Mar 22, 2021
    1. What's the point of appeal process if someone was proven guilty? If they killed and there's 100 % proof of their guilt there's no sense in appellation. It just buys time for killer.
    2. That's why you only sentence to death people who's guilt is proven 100 %. If there's undeniable evidence then go for it.
    3. No, I didn't say anyone. If it's an accident then h--- no, but premeditated murder by sane human? Yes, I'm all in for psychos being put down to death. So what they feel regret right after? Does that bring back that killed human? No.

    A lot of murderers k--- again after serving 20+ years in prison and you can google that, I did that.

    Also, if you had a daughter and some f---er r---d her, killed and ditched the body, what would you do? Would you forgive him? Or wanted him to rot in prison for life? Nah, you probably would k--- this guy yourself. If not, you would go crazy cause this guy is alive and your daughter was not.

    It's all matter of perspective.
     
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  2. DKC
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    DKC hank trill

    Mar 22, 2021
    1. The point of the appeals process is that the court makes mistakes. There are corrupt judges and juries and prosecutors and bad evidence. Check out The Innocence Project.

    2. But anyone who has been convicted or murder period is, in theory, proven guilty. You don't convict someone of murder if you're only 75% sure. The only reason you're supposed to convict someone is if there's undeniable evidence, but that evidence can be a variety of different things. What constitutes 100% proof?

    3. The reason I'm asking is because you said:
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    And that's my exact point—in addition to what I said above about how proving someone guilty isn't simple, when it comes to punishment it's a lot more complex than "an eye for an eye"—there's no easy line to draw in the sand, and if that line is malleable it will be abused.

    Obviously I'd want him to rot in prison for life. That's not the same situation that I was talking about by any means—I was talking about accidental murder.
     
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  3. DKC
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    DKC hank trill

    Mar 22, 2021
    I'm really not trying to moralize here—there are people like child rapists and serial killers and war criminals who I think deserve to die. But I can think they deserve to die while also thinking that we shouldn't give the government the power to k--- anyone. I'd rather just lock them up for life than give the government any more legal outlets to murder people.

    I'm not worried about these people getting killed I'm worried about the death penalty being used against innocent people.
     
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  4. Worm
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    Mar 22, 2021
    The appeals process is a good thing if there is even a little doubt or s-----y evidence was collected. At the same time our appeals process is garbage. Take for example the human piece of s--- Dzhokhar Tsarnaev who helped orchestrate the Boston bombing. This kid has been in prison since 2013 with 100% proof against him. There's literally no doubt whatsoever and he's still appealing. They actually just removed the death penalty against him and changed it to life without parole but may put it back to the death penalty. All they have to do is fill up a pressure cooker with nails and other s--- and throw it in his cell and call it a day
     
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  5. DKC
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    Mar 22, 2021
    actually I forgot I'm ok with the death penalty in this instance after hearing @DoCE's story
     
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  6. Ricky
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    Mar 22, 2021
    Court mistakes and evident proof of guilt is 2 different things. I'm talking about cases when it's clearly evident who killed. I'm not saying I'm pro-death penalty for everybody, I feel like you're taking a u-turn on my take, cause I said one thing and you're trying to prove me wrong by saying some other stuff.

    Let me be clear: I'm pro-death penalty for people who killed and there's undeniable proof, if they guilt is proven then don't waste tax money for appellation and don't keep them in cage for 10+ years before execution, what's the point? Would you want Ted Bundy out after serving 25+ years? Resocialization doesn't work every time. Sometimes the best way to treat murderers is eye for an eye. It's like playing russian roulette, will this one k---? Or the next one?

    There always been, are and will be more innocent people put to death, which is horrible tragedy, but I wasn't talking about this. All I was saying I'm pro-death penalty for people that guilt was proven. @Donkey Kong Country

    See, that's what I'm talking about. In some cases appellations just buy time for criminals which has no sense at all to me. This douche caused Boston bombing is alive and appealling and stupid laws allows him to do so.
     
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  7. Worm
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    Mar 22, 2021
    :'(
     
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  8. Guma
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    Mar 22, 2021
    Elaborate
     
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  9. Sign Language
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    Mar 22, 2021
    I think life in ADX Florence is worse than death for the Boston bomber. Anyone who isn’t familiar with the prison should look it up. Death is too easy compared to that place.
     
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  10. Worm
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    Mar 22, 2021
    he's basically the Batman of Boston
     
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  11. WPG
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    Mar 22, 2021
    “people shouldn’t be allowed to appeal their convictions” is literally a fascist take
     
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  12. DKC
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    Mar 22, 2021
    No, I completely understand that and I was never talking about a serial killer like Ted Bundy. I'm just saying that anyone who is convicted of murder is "guilty by undeniable proof" by definition because that's how our (flawed) system works. You need to be sure beyond reasonable doubt and I believe that literally 100% of the jury has to agree in most (all?) places here for serious crimes like murder. So that would mean that anyone convicted of murder would be treated the same no matter the nature of the crime and how good/bad the evidence was or how long the jury deliberated. We need that appeals process because people can get a lazy or bad or racist jury/judge/prosecutor/lawyer.
     
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  13. Ricky
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    Mar 22, 2021
    What's the point of appellation for let's say a serial killer? Or pedophile/murderer?
     
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  14. DKC
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    Mar 22, 2021
    I don't think he or anyone is arguing this because they want a legitimate serial killer or child r--ist to be able to appeal—we need the appeals system because people can be wrongfully convicted. Appeals are often denied by higher courts as well.
     
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  15. WPG
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    Mar 22, 2021
    i am absolutely arguing that serial killers and child rapists should have the *right* to appeal. the rights to fair trials, legal representation, the presumption of innocence etc. have to be absolutes or they’re worthless.
     
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  16. DKC
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    Mar 22, 2021
    No, I'm 100% with you but rereading my post I can see how I came across otherwise. That's the core of what I've been saying this whole time is that these types of laws need to be absolute because if you decide X person doesn't "deserve" to appeal that's just a license to deny appeals to anyone and if you decide X person "deserves" to face the death penalty that's opening up ways to for the government to legally k--- (innocent) people. There's too much room for interpretation and semantics and it's impossible to draw a line in the sand because there's too many variables and opinions and room for error.

    Everyone deserves the right to a fair trial and to appeal no matter who you are or what you did—what I meant in response to Rick is that the point of serial killers being able to appeal isn't because I'm super empathetic toward serial killers or anything—it's that we need to give these rights to everyone. Otherwise what's the point?
     
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  17. Worm
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    Mar 22, 2021
    WPG is Dexter in real life and trying to take out the trash himself
     
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  18. DKC
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    DKC hank trill

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    Mar 25, 2021
    Virginia's such a weird state because half of it is trump supporters and confederate flags and then the other part might as well be be annexed by DC/maryland. And then there's Virginia Beach which is a trashy beach town everyone can enjoy.
     
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    If DC was full of Republicans it would be a state with two Senators and a voting House rep.
     
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