Mar 26, 2021 The hospital admissions are a week behind the data for rising cases so we won’t know accurately till next week. The cases are rising due to schools opening which was the 1st step of lockdown easing here in the UK & children for the most part don’t get hospitalised, so if a problem arises with the current case rise, it will be due to the spreading from the children to adults which will be a delayed fuse. The main issue is that lockdown is scheduled to start easing with adult activities (social gatherings, non-essential shops opening etc) very soon & looking at the data from the school openings is a tell-tale sign of what’s to possibly come of that.
Mar 26, 2021 Dude, lockdown here has been 3 months. Hardly the longest and toughest one. We'll see from Monday when the Lockdown is officially over if cases go up. But my point is that all of Europe have been on and out of Lockdowns just as much as we have but they are going backwards. Countries with high vaccine numbers (UK, US, Israel, Greece etc) are all seeing the numbers go down. Logically speaking and comparing to similar situations, it's the vaccine that's causing this, not Lockdown. Of course lockdown helps though, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying it's naive to think the vaccine isn't the biggest player. Anyway, roll on the 29th March when Lockdown is over. And then it'll be interesting to see if the roadmap dates remain the same as now. Ie, 12th April, 17th May and 21st June.
Mar 26, 2021 No, not really. Kids can't be vaccinated and RARELY does this even affect kids. The vaccine will protect the people who it can affect whilst the kids spread it around. This is normal. This virus isn't going away, we have to live with it the way we live with the common cold and the flu. I've got 2 kids who go to nursery, they constantly have a runny nose and the sniffles because that's part of being a kid. But does that transfer to me and the Mrs? No. Because our immune systems are stronger than theirs. This is all a vaccine does, makes our immune system stronger to ward of the symptoms of the virus when we catch it.
Mar 26, 2021 I've been offered it through my workplace even though I'm technically low risk. Most of my co-workers got it and many (tho not all) responded horribly to it (AstraZeneca one), strong illnesses for from 2 days to over a week (some still haven't "recovered" and it's been more than 2 weeks...I do work with a few whiney fa----s tho so I'm sceptical that it's as bad they say it is). If I need it to go travelling abroad, I'll get it. But I don't see why I should bother with it before then. No one I interact with regularly is high risk. And the more I feel like the state and the media is compelling me to take it, the more averse I become to taking it. Not out of thinking it's some conspiracy, but just out of spite of them trying to force me to do something (lol). But yeah I'll get it at some point I'm sure. Also, I don't understand right, the vaccine was touted as "our ticket back to normality". Now we've got it, they're saying "take the vaccine but you still have to behave exactly as you did before the vaccine. And all the shops and gyms and pubs and stuff have to remain closed. Also you're not allowed to travel abroad and actually you're not even allowed to travel anywhere that isn't an emergency or work." Here we've vaccinated like half the population of the whole country already and yet we're still in a total lockdown lol. Clown world.
Mar 26, 2021 Okay then maybe my co-workers aren't being overdramatic lol s---. The funniest thing is the ones worst affected by the vaccine are the ones most desperate to try and get me to take it. Every day it's "have you had your first jab yet??" "no" "you know you can get through work? Just ask [the boss] and you can sign up to have it done straight away" yes I know c---- you and everyone else has told me this 3 times this week, in between bitching about how horrible you feel every day and how you weren't expecting it to affect you so greatly. Ask me again tomorrow.
Mar 26, 2021 Yeah in England they are pushing the "take the vaccine so we can go back to normal" agenda, which is a massive crock of s---. They still want you to wear masks and socially distance for the forseeable, no flights abroad this year, they are planning a vaccine passport/digital health app that you need to show to go to pubs, restaurants etc. How on earth is that "normal"? Maybe in China it is.. Yet everything is STILL locked down here and has been for months with the majority of those in the "at risk" category already vaccinated. Last summer you could go on holiday with no vaccine, and here we are supposedly more protected but with less freedoms. It's nonsensical. The propaganda and coercive discourse involved in pushing the vaccines doesn't sit right with me at all. People will do anything for their "freedoms" to be given BACK to them. Most people in the UK will take this vaccine so they can go to a concert or catch a flight. Not because they truly feel like they NEED it. I mean I get it, but I can't help but feel this has gone too far. Also the people that b---- and moan about others not taking the vaccine after they have already taken it themselves. Why the f--- does it matter to them? I can't imagine living in such a fearful way where I'd be shook of someone passing on a virus I've already been vaccinated for. Just let people be, whatever their choice is.
Mar 26, 2021 Yeah, agreed. It's borderline collective madness, people need to chill. 100 yrs ago the Spanish flu killed 50-100 million people (and they weren't all 85 years old and already on their deathbeds) and no one gave much of a f---/everyone forgot about it within a few years of it happening. Why are we treating this (admittedly nasty) illness like it's World War 3? How long are we going to keep destroying our economy and our collective future just so a few geriatrics can die in 2023 instead of 2021? The propaganda is hilarious and yeah it has the complete opposite effect on me to the one they're intending... I'm fine with the light measures like masks in shops and the social distancing with strangers/acquaintances. But everything else (especially now that half the country is vaccinated) is f---ing ridiculous and way over the top. Not to mention, until very recently we were going through lockdown after lockdown while simultaneously welcoming tens-of-thousands of people from around the globe every single day into the country via our airports, and none of them needed any negative test or anything to get here. No logic behind that at all.
Mar 27, 2021 I think the vaccine put them under a spell and its actually the government speaking through them , telling u to take it! But fr as f----- up as corona is, hearing people talk about it 24/7, is exhausting as well
Mar 27, 2021 The idea is that the closer we reach herd immunity, the faster we can return to a form of normalcy. That means: businesses opening back up; being able to attend semi large events like concerts, sporting events etc. That doesn’t mean everything will return to normal immediately. It’s going to be an incremental process. I’m also struggling to grapple my head around your point: this has nothing to do with “freedom.” It’s about public health. Are you an anti-vaxxer? Do you believe COVID-19 is exaggerated or something? The entire point of vaccines is to reach herd immunity. Herd immunity protects people who cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons; protects vaccinated people from coming into contact with someone who is infected because at the end of the day, vaccines are not 100%; and limits the ability of the vaccine to mutate & thus become potentially more infectious & deadly. Shouldn’t the Spanish Flu be a testament that government/international institutions ought to do better? Unless you believe tens of millions of people dying is acceptable. Again, if you guys don’t care about the general public, that’s fine, but on a macro level, the entire purpose of the state/government/international institutions is to protect people from catastrophes like this. It’s also really silly to believe that it’s government lockdowns hurting the economy & not the disease itself. As if a disease running rampant in the labor force wouldn’t make workers less productive; lead to businesses shutting down & going bankrupt & a far higher death toll. If you guys genuinely care about businesses well being, you would want people to get vaccinated; you would encourage mask wearing & other safety measures. That’s how businesses/the economy can thrive moving forward.
Mar 27, 2021 What’s concerning for me is how many people (in the uk or at least my area) are starting to believe all weird conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine I.e it changes your DNA, whose DNA are we getting? It’s going to k--- us further down the line etc etc etc Makes me think this s--- is going to just go on and on and on.
Mar 27, 2021 My mother had the 1st AstraZeneca jab yesterday morning, she’s been really struggling ever since, hopefully symptoms subside soon.
Mar 27, 2021 Yeah we actually have a political party here that questions vaccines and says the virus is nothing lol. Very dangerous if u ask me. Like, I'm not always 100% on board w the rules and lockdowns but looking at the bigger picture its in everyone's best interest to get rid of this situation. Its not the government causing the problems, but the virus and to an extent the stubborn assholes not caring and rioting over it. Like they think that is gonna solve the situation we're (all, worldwide) in ?
Mar 27, 2021 It's true that the thought of 85 year olds passing away is not something that moves me hugely, when compared with how I feel about the spike in suicides, the spike in domestic abuse, the spike in drug addiction among healthy aged people, and the spike in severe mental illness among children as a result of the measures taken to tackle the virus. Being able to live 2 or 3 years extra in your average care home is not some joyful experience. The "general public" is more than just Gertrude in her wheelchair who's been knocking about since 1935. 85 year olds don't work. 99.9% of people under 65 (working age) who "catch it" are totally fine. We've had to be tested at work twice a week since November. 90% of my co-workers have caught it. 100% of the ones under 60 had absolutely no symptoms. A few of the ones over 50 had a light cold for 2 days and that was it. I know one guy my age who had it and had flu like symptoms. His 60 year old dad caught it and was fine. Everyone else I know under 40 who has had it only knew they had it because they had to get tested for work or "track and trace" reasons. This disease running rampant would barely have had any effect on the global economy compared to what has happened. The lockdowns (but not so much that, it's especially the endless printing of money to save businesses and keep the economy looking normal on the surface, so maybe you can blame it on financial decisions more than COVID, but then again, if we hadn't printed money like mad the economic consequences would have probably been more dire than they are going to be, just not as long-term) are going to lead to hyperinflation and are going to be a disaster for Western societies for the next 10-20 years. China is laughing all the way to the bank (and their bank is called 'Global Domination'). But at least grandma can live in her care home for 9 months extra. Ultimately, I think pretty much everyone living in a major city has either caught it already, or will catch it one day. So that's no different to "if we had let the virus run rampant". The thing is the vast majority of people who catch it have no idea they've caught it, because they have no symptoms and are completely unaffected by it. The lockdown has "saved them" from a disease they never would have known they had if they hadn't been tested. I do encourage vaccination. When have I ever said (or even implied) "people shouldn't get vaccinated"? The problem you have is you've swallowed hook, line and sinker the false media narrative that anyone who gets annoyed by the constant obsession, media pressure, open barely-veiled propaganda (see the vid I posted above, shoe-horned into the most popular British tv show ever lmao) surrounding it all also thinks that we shouldn't wear masks (wtf?) and you probably also think I think that Bill Gates is secretly trying to change my DNA. Stop thinking about global/political issues as "us vs. them" "my team against the other team". Think about issues on a more isolated basis. The world isn't split into two sides on every issue with everyone on each side agreeing with each other. That's a low IQ Americanised fast food method of looking at current affairs or political and social issues. It's simplified, dumb, and actually dangerous (leads inevitably to tribalism, which - at the end of the road - leads to dehumanisation and violence).
Mar 27, 2021 For the first 6 months (March-Sept last year) I lived with a vulnerable person so was super careful and basically isolated myself totally. Since then, I'm no longer living with anyone vulnerable, but I'm still very careful (constant anti-bacterial gel and hand-washing, wear a mask everywhere that's appropriate, limit interactions and keep a distance, not to mention holding a strong hatred for people who are openly not taking similar precautions because they think they are better or more important than the rest of us). Just because I'm tired of it all at this point doesn't mean I don't wear a mask, or I won't give my children vaccines, or I'm an evil guy who is secretly plotting to k--- your grandma.
Mar 27, 2021 The most scary part of all this to me is , that this whole thing divides people. Like, most people around me also agree we should take it seriously etc. But I've seen family's , and friendships being ruined because of it and even communities that lived together being divided. I wonder, after corona, if they can ever go back to where they were before. Its such a sad thing to see and sometimes it worries me even more than the virus itself. I try not to argue w people that are 'against' the corona rules and say its all fake / a conspiracy because it really is hard for me to keep it cool lol.
Mar 27, 2021 You do you acknowledge that the increase in deaths due to suicides/drug addiction is NOT greater than the deaths accumulated from COVID-19 the past year, right? We can also do things to help people who suffer from mental health issues while maintaining safety measures due to COVID. We don’t have to write off the elderly as expendable to address mental health. Extremely immoral & unethical. Also, I’m not sure who starts the barometer at 85 but 65+ is what is considered to be “elderly” & high risk in the United States. Again, not sure why we’re putting the high risk mark at 85, very random age. I’m gonna say this in the most polite way I can: I don’t really care about your anecdotes. I mean obviously most people know at least one person who caught COVID & recovered fine. That’s great but like it doesn’t tell us much of anything. Even with a extremely low fatality rate, the more people who get infected, the higher the death toll will be. In reference to businesses, I wasn’t even referring to deaths, I was more so getting at employers having to give time off to employees if they get sick; being understaffed; maybe having to hire new workers who don’t know the job as well; employees coming to work sick & getting others sick etc. like this all really hurts businesses—especially small & medium sized businesses. Yeah, I just don’t think that’s true. I mean I’ve found one study that shows only 20% of people who test positive for COVID-19 are asymptomatic. I think you’re making large assumptions based on personal experience & intuition which is fine, I get it but like...issues like this we ought to really look at the data & science because at the end of the day, you only see/hear what’s happening in your circle. You don’t know the impact on another continent or country or city, neighborhood...h---, even your neighbor. if you encourage vaccinations what issue do you have with the government & media also encouraging vaccinations? I just don’t understand...isn’t that a good thing? How is that propaganda?
Mar 30, 2021 How is she now? My mom didn't had any issues and was going to the gym the next day while I could barely walk for 8-10 hours due to fatigue lol and we had the first jab at the exact same time.
