May 18, 2021 Haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread yet just got reports for racism. But this. These are not two conflicting ideas. The Chinese government’s horrifying actions are not representative of the over one billion Chinese people in the world
May 18, 2021 How is it racist when it’s true? They eat dogs, that’s what I said. It’s true and is not racist at all.
May 18, 2021 Yes, there’s dog meat festivals in China and other countries (including other Asian countries and countries like Switzerland) and its f----- up but it’s not a characteristic of every Chinese person. It’s not like they eat dog like Americans eat cow.
May 18, 2021 @hargydon is right that we do get a lot of racist/anti-china propaganda in the west. And a lot of it is true, the Chinese government does terrible things! But some of it is the same s--- that goes on in the USA lol. We get a lot of stories to terrify people about, say, their their social credit system and a lot of people in the USA don't realize that we have basically the same thing already ie credit scores. There's mass surveillance here too. But for all this country's flaws, I'd still rather live in the USA than China 100 times over.
May 18, 2021 Non-ironically using the “concentration camps were just labor camps!” argument that Holocaust deniers use. We literally have leaked Chinese government documents that contradict what they’ve publicly said these camps are.
May 18, 2021 I’ve not for 1 second claimed the place is some utopia, I’m merely speaking on the topic at hand along with needed historical context. I get derailed in pretty much every interaction causing me to tangent off course because everyone keeps mentioning something completely unrelated because the Sinophobia is indoctrinated in pretty much all of us in the West to various degrees.
May 18, 2021 Oh I didn’t think you came across as saying it was a utopia at al. A lot of people don’t realize how much propaganda we get in the USA in general, not even about China specifically.
May 18, 2021 I never thought I’d receive a level-headed response that isn’t going for my neck, thank you. I don’t know why everyone doesn’t cut me some slack & at least think maybe I know more than you’s about the situation? Especially when I’m receiving CNN articles as rhetoric. Given my stance on human rights & other issues surely this would completely contradict everything I stand for?
May 18, 2021 CNN is purposely conflating 2 different institutions. Do you actually know the context on the detainment of the extremists? Since 2013, thousands of Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority from western China, have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaeda, playing key roles in several battles. Syrian President Bashar Assad’s troops are now clashing with Uighur fighters as the six-year conflict nears its endgame. Uighur militants have killed hundreds, if not thousands, in attacks inside China in a decades-long insurgency that initially targeted police and other symbols of Chinese authority but in recent years also included civilians. Extremists with knives killed 33 people at a train station in 2014. Abroad, they bombed the Chinese embassy in Kyrgyzstan in September last year; in 2014, they killed 25 people in an attack on a Thai shrine popular with Chinese tourists. It was late 2009, and Xinjiang was in lockdown. Four months earlier, hundreds of Uighurs had rioted in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang, and attacked the Han, China’s dominant ethnic group. An estimated 200 people died in the unrest that night, the bloodiest ethnic violence the country had seen in decades. As Uighur refugees traveled along an underground railroad in Southeast Asia, they said, they were greeted by a network of Uighur militants who offered food and shelter — and their extremist ideology. And when the refugees touched down in Turkey, they were again wooed by recruiters who openly roamed the streets of Istanbul in gritty immigrant neighborhoods like Zeytinburnu and Sefakoy, looking for fresh fighters to shuttle to Syria. Many Uighur militants have grown tired of the war and are looking to leave particularly as Assad’s forces gain the upper hand, says Seyit Tumturk, a Uighur activist in Turkey who often speaks to fighters in Syria. He said it was impossible for Uighurs militants to liberate Xinjiang, currently blanketed with paramilitary forces and riot police. But he said Chinese President Xi Jinping’s ambitious project to develop railway lines, ports, and other infrastructure linking various regions to China makes Beijing vulnerable to militant attacks abroad. The Islamic State took credit in June for kidnapping and killing two Chinese teachers in Pakistan’s Baluchistan province, which is a cornerstone of Beijing’s so-called Belt and Road infrastructure project. In Kyrgyzstan, state security say a suicide bombing of the Chinese embassy in Bishkek was ordered by Uighur terrorist groups active in Syria and financed by al-Qaeda’s Nusra Front. Chinese officials and Western analysts alike say that the Uighurs’ experience in the Syrian jihadi melting pot will likely exacerbate violence against “soft” targets outside China. China’s foreign ministry called the Turkistan Islamic Party a security threat for the Middle East. “We hope our brothers, including Syria and Turkey, will work with us, strengthen cooperation and cut off the terrorists’ cross-border movements and safeguard regional stability,” the ministry said in a faxed statement in response to questions from the AP. I’ve seen the footage of multiple terrorist attacks, which is odd considering cEnSoRsHiP & it’s abhorrent. The extremists’ goal is to “liberate Xinjiang” & turn it into East Turkistan, so the government has been reactionary against the terrorism. This is where the education centres come into play — there is actual detainments for individuals that have committed serious crimes, terrorism for example, keep in mind the USA’s answer to solving terrorism is to commit further terrorism in the Middle East, torture & detain sometimes innocent parties in Guantanamo or just imprison them in their labour camps with the other 20% of the world’s prisoner population. These are the people you’re standing with in accusation. Most of the pictures the media will show you are actually debunked from not only different regions but different times too. Most of the articles in the mainstream media are parroted from Adrian Zenz who has admitted to falsifying the stories for money (& is also a white supremacist who thinks China is the enemy btw, guy’s a serious nutcase.) — Can be sourced. But the main vocational centres which were created as **prevention** from falling victim to extremist ideology, they’ll teach cultural values, language, skills etc. There’s nothing wrong with this. This is the thing, people are so wilfully ignorant of China as a whole, systematically, politically, culturally, it makes the intent of accusation all the more easier for the West. They can paint them as the boogie man & you’ll all eat it up time & time again.
May 18, 2021 This genuinely just comes off as you trying to justify China’s oppression of an entire Muslim population because of existing extremist groups in the region—it’s not a valid justification. Then to claim these are actually two entirely separate institutions with no verified evidence to back it up is mind blowing (and I’m not talking nitpicked clips on Twitter from someone with 30 followers). What you’re doing is very typical of any kind of genocidal denial. Holocaust deniers literally refute the Nuremberg trials, plethora of academia, journalism etc. because it’s all “Jewish controlled.” You’re doing that exact same thing but except you’re saying “it’s the west!!” instead of “it’s the jews!!” By doing that you’ve managed to dismiss every major media publication, most human rights watchdogs, all western government intelligence agencies etc. So my question to you would be, what would convince you that a genocide is taking place? What exactly would you need to see? Because at this point, we already have hundreds of leaked Chinese government documents detailing the intentions, organizations, plans & lay outs of these concentration camps. This is not western media spin or fear mongering; it’s literally the inner-workings of the Chinese government in their own words. So what more do you need?
May 18, 2021 There isn’t a f---ing entire region of Muslim oppression you moron. Keep sending me American media mistranslations all you want & human rights watches that have funding leading back to the US government, it means f--- all to me. Whilst the UN reached broad consensus, World Bank, European Diplomats & *all* Muslim countries have denounced the genocide accusation. Nothing will qualify as enough for you, I’ve given you evidence of 1000s of Uighur’s denouncing it in the region, evidence of an ex-FBI translator explaining the goal, the connections to the extremism, explained what these centres are & you won’t accept it, you don’t want to. “The World Bank’s work is driven by core principles of inclusion, with special consideration for the protection of minorities and other vulnerable peoples. When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly. After receiving the allegations, no disbursements were made on the project. The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations. In light of the risks associated with the partner schools, which are widely dispersed and difficult to monitor, the scope and footprint of the project is being reduced. Specifically, the project component that involves the partner schools in Xinjiang is being closed." These 2 threads are probably the most concise information grabs on Twitter regarding the situation, as I’ve yet to make my own & is making this thread extremely fragmented & a pain in the arse, read these first instead of lecturing me: If you even reply to this within a week I’ll know you haven’t read it all, that’s how much information there is in these to consume & understand. I’m not arguing with you anymore, it’s disgusting & extremely offensive that you keep comparing me to a genocide denier & a Nazi. I’m done interacting with you, you’re incapable of understanding anything that isn’t parroted from the US department. You were definitely one of those screaming for the Iraq invasion due to WMDs.
May 18, 2021 Yall only say that cause its common to have them as pets I aint hear you talm bout free the guinea pigs
May 18, 2021 Not to mention the festival thing is only once a year in one city right? We can talk about how they go about finding and killing animals for meat, kidnapping pet dogs etc. but people acting like eating dogs in itself is some primal animalistic behavior (Id agree) while they had a cheeseburger for lunch and a porkchop for dinner, doesn't make any sense to me. They're both animals, how is killing and consuming a cow more humane than consuming a dog? My point isn't to argue for the eating of dogs either but for the same empathy towards other animals.
May 18, 2021 This is exactly what I said to him lol. Btw the conversation that was had with @BIGFOOT regarding China was basically on the lines of the general culture confusion like the diets & was only a passive discussion amongst general group chat s---. I’ve been studying geopolitics for over 5 years straight now in various areas so China isn’t an isolated education I’ve given myself, I am familiar with plenty of other cultures & states across the planet, this one happened to be brought up so I said my peace. As the general view of China is perceived as negative, it stands out like a sore thumb when someone tries to debate it rationally. Framing & cognitive dissonance. It’s proven the way people get extremely reactionary to any positive spin on something China-related that it’s just how we’ve been taught to view them, like what the f--- has a diet choice in a small province in the over 1 billion population got to do with this discussion? Nothing, it’s blatant racism.
May 18, 2021 Yep I agree. I'd never ever advocate for eating dog, but pigs are smarter than dogs and half the world thinks we're disgusting for eating them. But we do anyway. The idea of going vegetarian or vegan is def something that's becoming more appealing to me as I get older. I've been meaning to try it for a month just to see how I feel. The meat industry is f-----.
May 18, 2021 David Irving, fairly famous “academic/“Holocaust denier was infamous for stating that all of academia was mistranslating german nazi documents when it was later revealed that he was the one mistranslating the documents within his own work. These genocide denial arguments have all been recycled & used before. I mean you really have to come grips what you’re claiming: several countries along with dozens of major news outliers are conspiring to lie about a genocide. You don’t got more illuminati-esque than that. Still waiting to hear what more evidence do you need? Would anything convince you? This was the U.S., Britain, Germany just days ago at the UN:
May 18, 2021 Go for it! I'm pesci for 1 and a half years now (only because it would break my dads heart If I stopped eating his fish) and feel great! Definitely not missing meat in the slightest.
