Oct 9, 2016

We can say anything we want Michael you dirty olive f---ing jewish fa---- kike k--- yourself you kunt

 

Oct 9, 2016

not even slightly similar lmfao

 

Oct 9, 2016

f--- Pusha T

 

Oct 9, 2016

ye

agree to disagree on this point

i think it certainly helps to know music theory, as it's quicker when it comes to making music, be it as a producer or a guitarist or w.e, but it is in no way required

 

Oct 9, 2016

okay well ill ask what instruments do you play and do you know theory and like what level are you at roughly?

 

Oct 9, 2016

exactly if u want to take the time to learn the detail into what your doing thats dope and fine and you'll get respect from people who did as well but if u just know whats good by ear which is the most important part i can't tell u how many people i know who know music theory but make s-----y music its all about what sounds good at the end of the day

 

Oct 9, 2016

you study litterature to understand litterature
you study music theory to understand music

of course it helps to have studied the subject but it isn't the biggest factor at all.

 

Oct 9, 2016

why is this suddenly about my playing? i already answered this before you asked it:

 

Oct 9, 2016

ehhh i dont wanna come off as one of those pretentious guys that thinks theory is more important than being creative and having a good ear, of course knowing what feels and sounds good is sooo much more important 1000%

but i once was one of those dudes that underplayed the importance of theory because i didnt know it and it was daunting and im by no means an expert but its just how music works and the more you know and understand the fabric of what you're working with the more control you ultimately have creatively but ofccc the perfect marriage is to have both which i guess is rare but thats when u become a legend like eno or something

 

Oct 9, 2016

literature and rapping have like no correlation at all though lmao just a weird a--- comparison

no it's like studying other rap music to get good at wiriting rap music which is what rappers do

 

Oct 9, 2016

???f--- you mean rapping is a form of litterature???

 

Oct 9, 2016

sorry didn't mean for that to come off as like a personal attack or anything

like i said i think people that dont know theory tend to downplay it's importance bc i was definitely one of those i have been both so i guess i feel as though i have perspective

 

Oct 9, 2016

i mean but thats the end of the discussion dude i understand where your coming from completely but at the end of the day creativity triumphs like my music theory teacher told me "were just teaching u whats right for music theory not whats right for music" music is built of creativity not knowing music theory

 

Oct 9, 2016

you dont study moby d-ck to learn how to rap good man cmon now

yeah rapping is literature and you study rap to learn how to rap whats the problem w/ that

 

Oct 9, 2016

for sure! i feel like such a nerd being on this end of the argument truly ive been on the other like my whole life

id say its as simple as the more you know about theory the more tools you have but yea ultimately your creativity trumps all and is the most intrinsic part of the creation of art form of art

 

Oct 9, 2016

yeah but i hope studying literature isn't only about moby d-ck lol but yh i guess the writing techniques you learn in litterature can be approximatively as useful to rap as the music theory you learn in a classical music school to make beats

 

Oct 9, 2016

i think that comparison works well but totally not for the reasons u meant it to

 

Oct 9, 2016

maybe i shouldn't say i have no knowledge of theory, i just honestly can't say what i know and how i use it, as that's extremely hard to explain since i've never learned any sort of traditional way, and i've figured things out as a producer by trail and error, ear, fooling around with my keyboard, listening to other songs, random bits of youtube videos etc. over the past 3+ years lol

i'm just at a point where it seems irrelevant, like, it might've helped at the beginning get me started better and quicker, but now? sort of pointless. i don't see it as necessary as a result, and i know a lot of musicians who've just taught themselves, can't read an ounce of sheet music and learned by ear, and can play amazingly

 

Oct 9, 2016

everyones problem with how your attacking this is acting like rap isn't as valued or takes as much creative process as the other genres which isn't true your even saying the way people learn how to rap is different as someone learning how to play the guitar by listening to their favorite guitarist difference is not everyone has the same voice not everyone can be like there idol but instrumentalist can play like there idol

at the end of the day yes anyone can rap with practice but that doesn't mean there evolved past being there own artist and havin there own voice because just knowing how to rap is different than making your own sound for your voice

at the end of the day yes anyone can be a guitarist with practice but that doesn't mean there evolved past being there own artist and havin there own sound because just knowing how to play is different than making your own records

 

Oct 9, 2016

another thing i'd like to say is flowing is something that definitely takes a bit of skill, and is in some ways (while obviously it's own thing) comparable to singing and takes practice and effort, and there are a s--- load of different ways to do it and it varies from song to song to artist to artist, just like singing